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Old 07-23-2002, 04:33 PM   #16
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Boy...that 'rap' thread sure got me going!

Now I've got a bone to pick with all the 'Classic Rock' artists I grew up with!

The Who
The Beatles
Hendrix
Bob Seger
The Doors
and there's LOTS more!!!

What do they ALL have in common? Be it the original songs, or a version 'covered' by someone else...they've all SOLD THEIR SONGS TO COMMERCIALS!

Seems like every time a commercial break graces my TV, I hear a classic tune selling something!

Things SURE have changed since the 60's and 70's...when 'artistic integrity' actually meant something!

The only one I have ANY respect for is John Mellencamp...who SWEARS he will never sell his songs for commercial purposes!

But Hendrix! Probably spinning in his grave!

C'mon boomers...waddya think?

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Before you start getting all cynical about artists songs being in commercials, think about if the artists actually have a say in how their songs are used. If I'm not mistaken, isn't it the person who owns the copyrights to the songs that decides how, when, and by who they're used? For example, isn't Micheal Jackson the one who owns the copyrights to the Beatles songs... do any of the remaining Beatles get to chose what commercials their songs are in?
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...I'll just start answering threads with "um....what was the point of that", and see how many friends I make!

<< Well since your so much older and know everything, you must know that MOST NOT ALL people out there are looking to make money. I mean how many times have you heard "I wanna be rich and famouse!" MAYBE they are HONEST people WHO really DO care about the ARTISTIC side of WRITING their own music, but how do YOU know!? HAVE YOU EVER ****ING MET THEM!? Have you ever asked them why they did it??? No, so why worry about it. If the musics good, listen. >>

Yeah...I HAVE ****ing met some of them! And if you're shallow enough to make a great song, only to let some corporation have it to sell things, I feel sorry for you!! That's NOT art...it's called 'selling out' to make a buck! You might as well be writing jingles for Burger King! Now THAT'S art!

And "famouse"? I can see YOU have a GREAT career in songwriting with THAT grammar! But these days...who'd notice!

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I'm not a song writer. None of what you said applys to me. Although I have written some bad classical-style songs on the piano which I dont ever intend to use as anything. I personally am not shallow enough to do that, but not everyone is me, not everyone thinks like I do, I don't know how they think Im not in their head I dont know why they do what they do, I can only assume LIKE you were doing by posting this. BTW ur right, I have no future in writing lyrics for any songs because I really am not good at it.
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OH MY GOD i dunno why ur makin a big deal about this. I wasnt tryin to be rude i was just askin a damn question, is there nething wrong w/ that? No, theres not.
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OH MY GOD i dunno why ur makin a big deal about this. I wasnt tryin to be rude i was just askin a damn question, is there nething wrong w/ that? No, theres not.
well u did sound a LITTLE rude but I mean... poon something seems to have taken it as like... a threat to bomb something because he made a pointless thread...
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...when artists sell their work to other people (as in your Michael Jackson/ Beatles analogy) they HAVE TO know that their work could possibly be used for other things.

If I'm not mistaken, it was Paul McCartney who sold the Beatle's classic work to Jackson. And now I hear a cover version of 'Come Together' on TV selling stuff! McCartney can go 'pi** up a rope' for all I care!

Now here's a song I grew up with and LOVED...and now when I hear it I have to think of the product it sells, and NOT the memories it's given me! John Lennon would have fought McCartney 'tooth-and-nail' over THAT decision!

Everyone here just reinforces my point about music being so 'cheapened' these days. You don't seem to care that in 30 years the songs you used to listen to, had your first kiss to, drove a car for the first time to....are now associated with burger joints and diet cola!

And lacyinthesky...I thank you for (even though you might disagree with me) at least having a civil discussion with me on this subject.

Gotta go...medication time ya know!

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Well, Im not a baby boomer but I was raised on my parents beatles albums and love that music more than any of todays junk.

I dont know what all the disagreeing was about on here because i dont see a thing wrong w/ this post. We have certainly had A LOT less meaningful ones! (may I remind everyone of a certain thread about nothing that went pretty darn far...200 some pages I believe....) so, its cool, everyone just CHILL


Well, I personally dont like the idea of artists selling their music to commercials. Especially when the artist is deceased and isnt the one signing away their original works...
Yeah, it stinks.
I'd say more but thats the gist of my opinion and a HUGE thunderstorm is coming....so im outta here.....
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Smile Thank you Titania!

I've been a member here for a while (although I don't have a gazillion posts and a 3 page signature line)...and have NEVER had a problem with anyone until now!

I'm also a Moderator at a VERY popular web-site's message board, and know a little about posting 'etiquette'...and the importance of keeping things civil and decent!

I thought this thread was of a fairly benign nature...but 'some' here just pushed my buttons with their flippant remarks and insensitivity! I mean...let's say you posted something about a subject you're passionate about, and you get "um....what was the point of that"?

I REALLY appreciate your support on this!

Is that thunder I hear?

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TJ made a rule about signatures and they are all short now. I don't see any 3 page long signatures anymore.
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...when artists sell their work to other people (as in your Michael Jackson/ Beatles analogy) they HAVE TO know that their work could possibly be used for other things.

If I'm not mistaken, it was Paul McCartney who sold the Beatle's classic work to Jackson. And now I hear a cover version of 'Come Together' on TV selling stuff! McCartney can go 'pi** up a rope' for all I care!

Now here's a song I grew up with and LOVED...and now when I hear it I have to think of the product it sells, and NOT the memories it's given me! John Lennon would have fought McCartney 'tooth-and-nail' over THAT decision!

Everyone here just reinforces my point about music being so 'cheapened' these days. You don't seem to care that in 30 years the songs you used to listen to, had your first kiss to, drove a car for the first time to....are now associated with burger joints and diet cola!

And lacyinthesky...I thank you for (even though you might disagree with me) at least having a civil discussion with me on this subject.

Gotta go...medication time ya know!

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I don't remember the complete story, but wasn't the copyrights to the Beatles songs being sold at auction and McCartney didn't have enough money to buy them? I do agree with you, I'm not so fond of McCartney. I much more prefer Lennon...

And thankyou for starting a civil discussion... I've noticed a lack of them here, but have been too lazy to start one. It amazes me how someone here could make a thread entitled something along the lines of "This is a stupid post! Don't Reply!" yet still get hundreds of replies to it.

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It never really bothered me when a classic tune makes it's way to a commercial.
It doesn't lessen my respect of the artist if they "sell out."

Unfortunatley corporate sponsorship seems to be the new wave in music promotion. Most of the classic artists are now having their tours sponsored, much like the younger pop stars..

I guess it does ruin the integrity of the music or the artist...
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Thumbs down And it's happening with 'cinema' now too!

For example...the new Austin Powers movie!

It ISN'T even out yet...and now I see commercials with Mike Myers (AS AUSTIN!) with Brittany Spears selling 'Diet Coke' or something like that!

It's as if the industry has only one thing on their mind! Never mind the bucks this movie will generate...as JUST a movie! But now...before it's even out, we're associating the film with a product!

It reminds me when George C. Scott refused to accept his Academy Award. (for 'Patton', I believe) It likened his 'art' to a contest...and thus ruining the integrity of his 'craft'!

Well, it IS a contest these days! Let's see how many buckets of chicken or 'Pampers' we can sell with this song or movie!

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pontoon. There is absolutely nothing wrong with your post but I don't think very many Baby Boomers post here. The majority of us are teens and Generation Xers so naturally our opinions are probably going to differ with yours. The only Baby Boomer I know of off hand is Penny Lane. Anyway I don't see anything wrong with artists selling their songs to commercials if that's what they choose to do.
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Well I happen to agree with Pontoon.....seriously. It seems everytime you turn on a Mcdonalds commercial you hear Donna Summers...or well, you get my point.

Good thread, Pontoon!
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<< I don't think very many Baby Boomers post here. >>

After all, this is a site that allows members to talk about 'classic' TV...and I've seen lots of posts from some who say they watched them BEFORE syndication!

I'm tempted to start a thread called 'Only Baby Boomers Reply' (just to see how many there REALLY are here), but I'd probably get a "um....what was the point of that"!

And thank you TOO Kay Scarpetta! It's nice to see there's others here that know where I'm comin' from with this! I just hate my memories of these great tunes tainted with commercialism!

And call it irony...but part of my work description includes 'Commercial Copy-Writer'!

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