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Old 10-02-2017, 10:24 AM   #181
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She's definitely frustrating in the sense that she made some bad choices and she SHOULD have seen all the red flags in regards to the first meeting with Ulysses. But at the end of the day, she was still a victim so I can't help but feel sympathy for her.

But frustration, lot's of frustration too.
I couldn't agree more. It's obvious Judy was very naive at that time, but like you said she is a victim, too. She never would have gone back had she known how this would end. It's also a lot harder from abused women to break free that it seems. I also have lots of sympathy for her.
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I have trouble mustering a lot of sympathy for Judy Olive.
What's the Judy Olive case about? I'm not familiar with it.
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Old 10-03-2017, 10:23 AM   #183
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http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Alexander_Olive
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Old 10-03-2017, 12:41 PM   #184
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Just curious to your take on these two, Meg.

Drake because I don't think you've commented, or if you have I haven't seen it.

I put "innocent with some question" for Port Chicago because, they did technically refuse to follow orders. Aren't they guilty of that at least? I thought the military was strict liability on such things. Whether their decision was justified is another matter (I believe they were justified). Figured you would be the best person to ask regardless.
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Agreed.

Another example for me would be the Keith Warren case. As far as I can tell, everyone on here, including me, believed he was either murdered or died accidentally and some of his friends freaked out and made it look like a suicide. Suicide was never an option. Until I saw more information related to the case I realized that suicide was a possibility, and the UM segment presented a decent case for murder by some shady people that could've been involved with drugs (Mark Finley was one of them). Then years later I saw a local news station report on the case that was filmed prior to the UM segment where it was alleged that Keith was lynched and it was a racially motivated hate crime. The UM segment makes no mention of this, and specifically says that a car full of black teens/men were looking for him shortly before he died. This was known back when Keith was found dead. Why the sudden change of a motive in the span of 3-4 years?
- Im not sure if you worked for MCMPD or affiliated with them some how, but you always find a way to throw Keith's name in a post and try to discredit the possibility that he was murdered. Before you continue to mis-quote me and use alternative facts to discuss my brother's murder, I respectfully ask that you read up on the information and share accurate information and not your opinion as fact.
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Old 10-16-2017, 12:29 PM   #186
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wow, from what I remember it was overwhelmingly believed that Keith Warren died accidentally and the suicide was staged. What made you decide to go against that theory?
- Please research information for yourself go to www.TheKeithWarrenJusticeSite.com. For whatever reason "TheCars1986" has something against my brother and will use lies and deceit to make his point. I am addressing as many of his post about Kieth as possible. He has mis quoted me and used deception and half truth to make his point. This is very upsetting and I believe he is somehow some way associated directly with MCMPD
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- I believe he is somehow some way associated directly with MCMPD
Or he's just a fan of Unsolved Mysteries and was giving his opinion on one of many cases profiled on that show.
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Or he's just a fan of Unsolved Mysteries and was giving his opinion on one of many cases profiled on that show.
When you mis-quote me intentionally or put out alternative facts that is not a fan to me that is someone who wants to make their point with no regard to truth.
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When you mis-quote me intentionally or put out alternative facts that is not a fan to me that is someone who wants to make their point with no regard to truth.
Or they're someone with limited access to the information and theorizing based off what they have. I realize from your postings today that you're likely either a sibling or close relative, and obviously this is personal for you, but you can't expect viewers of a TV show from the 80's to have access to everything dug up by your mother over decades of investigation. People are going off of an 8 minute segment from 30 years ago and google.
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Or they're someone with limited access to the information and theorizing based off what they have. I realize from your postings today that you're likely either a sibling or close relative, and obviously this is personal for you, but you can't expect viewers of a TV show from the 80's to have access to everything dug up by your mother over decades of investigation. People are going off of an 8 minute segment from 30 years ago and google.
- For clarification this is Sherri Warren (Keith Warren's sister) and the post I mention were all referenced back to a dated website. if I am going to be quoted, then I request the quote be accurate, if you are going to reference information which is public information I would please ask that the information be accurate and not half truth.
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Or they're someone with limited access to the information and theorizing based off what they have. I realize from your postings today that you're likely either a sibling or close relative, and obviously this is personal for you, but you can't expect viewers of a TV show from the 80's to have access to everything dug up by your mother over decades of investigation. People are going off of an 8 minute segment from 30 years ago and google.
Stop making excuses. There's having limited information, and then there's twisting the limited information to fit your narrative. That's what TheCars is doing. I hope you find the truth, Sherri. We both know you're correct.
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Stop making excuses. There's having limited information, and then there's twisting the limited information to fit your narrative. That's what TheCars is doing. I hope you find the truth, Sherri. We both know you're correct.
I agree I have found several posts where he has for whatever reason inserted Keiths name when it it comes to mysterious deaths and or suicide related deaths not sure what that's about. My point is if you going to quote information you need to be correct and don't intentionally mislead people.
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I agree I have found several posts where he has for whatever reason inserted Keiths name when it it comes to mysterious deaths and or suicide related deaths not sure what that's about. My point is if you going to quote information you need to be correct and don't intentionally mislead people.
It is always nice to have family members of people profiled on UM posting. However in my past experience as moderator on here I have encountered some relatives who have taken offense at people's opinion on their loved ones cases. Those people have found it is easier for them to just stop reading the posts. Remember this is an online forum to discuss our opinions on UM cases and it is based on the limited information we are given. It is certainly not a slight on your brother or his tragic death. We are simply talking about a case that was profiled on UM. There is no malicious intent nor are we emotionally invested as you are. It is a discussion forum. There is nothing wrong with TheCars giving his opinion on the segment because this is exactly what this forum is about.
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It is always nice to have family members of people profiled on UM posting. However in my past experience as moderator on here I have encountered some relatives who have taken offense at people's opinion on their loved ones cases. Those people have found it is easier for them to just stop reading the posts. Remember this is an online forum to discuss our opinions on UM cases and it is based on the limited information we are given. It is certainly not a slight on your brother or his tragic death. We are simply talking about a case that was profiled on UM. There is no malicious intent nor are we emotionally invested as you are. It is a discussion forum. There is nothing wrong with TheCars giving his opinion on the segment because this is exactly what this forum is about.
Im grateful and thankful that Keith's story is being talked about. What I am not a fan of is someone mis-quoting me or putting out information the is not fact. I appreciate the thoughts and opinion of others when they are based off of fact.
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