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Old 11-18-2011, 01:57 AM   #46
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I think you are absolutely right. I too felt that the two photos they presented looked nothing like Curt and looked like Asian men. They didn't even share his eyebrows and hairline. I don't even think the two men in the photos are the same man. Also, has anyone noticed how people do not always look the way they do in photos? Some people just look different in a picture. Or you might see a photo of someone somewhere and think, "that looks like so-and-so", when you know perfectly well that isn't them. I don't know if that makes any sense, but my point is that people can look different in photos than in real life.

If there is one thing I have learned from watching a lot of UM, it is that parents of missing/suicide/whatever kids can become very delusional about what happened to them or what they did. I was just reading about the case of Amy St. Laurent (not on UM) who's killer confessed to his mother; the mother then told a friend about the confession, then told a grand jury about the confession, yet now claims that her son is innocent. Crazy! And I'll never forget about seeing Diane Broadbeck's mother on UM who swore up and down that her daughter would NEVER leave willingly with a convicted killer, yet that's exactly what happened. It comes to a point where you really just have to take what these family members say with a grain of salt. They are convinced of whatever they want to believe, many to the point of obsession. I think this case is a perfect example of how delusional a family can become over an idea.
exactly.It's denial and it's very strong motivation to believe something that isn't true.it's a form of mental personal protection/self-preservation.
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Old 11-18-2011, 07:34 PM   #47
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I don't think Curt's family was in denial per se, I think that they really truely thought he was still alive after all of those years. Especially with his sister claiming she saw him 3 or 4 times since his alleged "death".
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Plus the family got a check for 43k for Curts father signing a form. The whole story is odd. After a few sightings you'd think his sister would try to talk to him. I know she didn't because she claimed she was told he was dangerous but still one of the sightings looked to be in a public park area. At least yell from a few feet away and say "Hi Curt" and see what his reply would be.
That's exactly what I would have done! I have a brother who I don't often see yet I still 100% recognise him every time I see him as he's my brother I grew up with! I have never mistaken any one for him although I have seen people that look like him and I don't see how the sister can mistake some one for her brother.
More to the point I can't understand how she was afraid to speak to him. It's her brother? He surely had no reason to harm her or her children.
If this is all true which I believe it is (aside from the fact they refuse to DNA on the teeth which I find bizarre if you really want closure) I feel so sorry for the guilt the sister must have. She had 3 chances to reunite with her brother and missed them all.
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Old 09-06-2013, 04:20 AM   #49
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Reading a lot of info on the case I still think there maybe a tiny chance that curt is still alive.
Considering the weight of evidence that he has been killed against the evidence he is alive and well it's fair to say he is most likely dead. Although IMO I think he is alive and that it may have something to do with the gov.

However I do think it's a bit harsh to say that the family are delusional?!
They are dealing with a huge loss either way and every one is entitled to there own opinion but I wouldn't go as far as to call the family and crush there hope.

The only way to find any answers on this case is to do DNA on the teeth. But if the family do that and it's identified as curt it stops them hoping that he is happy, safe and alive some where in the world.

I believe it's better to think that way if that's what the family wish to do.
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I haven't seen the segment in awhile, but IIRC, Curt received no special forces training, and his family believed him to be in some sort of "secret returnee" program. That's ridiculous. No POW would return home and NEVER contact a member of their family to let them know that they were alive.
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If it was me I would always have hope until evidence ie a body told me otherwise.

Hope is what is keeping the family going!

And I sincerely hope the curt is alive!



Totally irrelevant but he's a good looking fella!
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This case fascinates me so much. I wish we knew the answers.
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I really like this segment, but I don't believe that Curt was sent back or that it was Curt his sister saw. I think she seemed very sincere and believed it, but I bet it was just a lookalike. I think if their theory about him trying to show he was alive was actually a fact he wouldn't have just randomly approached her at a gas station with such a cryptic statement and why would he just be chilling out by the Vietnam memorial?


I agree with the above sentiment about approaching him. In a public park, I would have probably gone up to him (leaving some room) and said, ''Are you Curt?'' Considering this was the third time she allegedly sighted him.

Sadly, I think this was just a case of denial. However, if the other alleged incidents (phone call, men in parking lot, people tracking/threatening cousin, phone tapping) actually happened, I can see why they would be suspicious about accepting what the gov. said. However, I really doubt that Curt is alive.
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The one aspect of this case that still bothers me to write it all off as denial/delusions is the man allegedly made the off hand comment about the weather to Curt's sister. Now if this really happened (his sister has no real reason to lie), why on Earth would the stranger made such an odd remark to her if he didn't know her?
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The one aspect of this case that still bothers me to write it all off as denial/delusions is the man allegedly made the off hand comment about the weather to Curt's sister. Now if this really happened (his sister has no real reason to lie), why on Earth would the stranger made such an odd remark to her if he didn't know her?
Maybe he was thinking, "There's that woman again who always stares at me. If I say something weird, she'll leave me alone."

I have wondered a lot about this case, too. I would love to know the answers.
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Maybe he was thinking, "There's that woman again who always stares at me. If I say something weird, she'll leave me alone."

I have wondered a lot about this case, too. I would love to know the answers.
I honestly thought about that after I posted it.

Maybe the guy noticed that she kept staring at him and wanted her to stop.
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The one aspect of this case that still bothers me to write it all off as denial/delusions is the man allegedly made the off hand comment about the weather to Curt's sister. Now if this really happened (his sister has no real reason to lie), why on earth would the stranger made such an odd remark to her if he didn't know her?
"It looks like it's going to snow doesn't it?"

Strangers sometimes exchange hellos or casual remarks at gas stations, usually pretty insipid conversation. Nothing new there.

But it seems (as least from the segment) that his sister Diane was at the gas station going about her business without really thinking and so (just my guess) he made a completely offhand comment like this to catch her attention and make her sit up and take notice, when otherwise she may just have been going through her day on autopilot.

The even stranger part to me though is the section of the segment where he drives alongside her in the red vehicle and just grins and says absolutely nothing for what seems like an age before he pulls in front then takes the exit at Quantico Marine Station.

A most confusing aspect though is the phone call received by the father. The father is asked, "what was the name of the blond-haired babysitter?". Should this not have been the other way around, where the father asked 'Curt' the name of the babysitter to help verify his identity?
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This case always broke my heart because as much as I always wanted to believe that Borton was alive out there somewhere, I just never could get there, you know? There have been some developments in this case over the years it seems.

There is an interesting post in the comments section on the UM site, from someone purporting to be a member of the Borton family. The poster makes the assertion that some skeletal remains have since been found and conclusively ID'd as Borton.

https://unsolved.com/gallery/robert-borton/

There is also a site dedicated to Vietnam War casualties, that has Borton listed among the deceased. Mention is made on this site that Borton's remains have since been located, along with the remains of 13 other Vietnam War casualties. My heart goes out to this family.

http://www.vietnamwarcasualties.org/...ctory&rec=4834

ETA: While I was reading up further on the Borton case, I came across another Vietnam site that seems to give more details on the recovery of his remains.

http://www.virtualwall.org/db/BortonRC01a.htm

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The family is in deep denial. The sister seeing him multiple times and not talking to him bizarre. The license plate she took down wasn't him. Her saying her kids recognized him first is laughable. They never met him! The last pictures she had of Kurt he was only 20 years old. You're telling me her children identified him yards away.. as a middle aged man having never met him? Give me a break. She could've had her kids go to her car while she spoke to "Kurt". I think she deeply wants to believe he's alive so they keep this fantasy alive.
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Surrpsied UM took on this case,seems entirely wishful thinking by the family and the 2 pictures not only don't look like Curt one looks like an Asian Male and the other Euroasian.
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