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Old 04-17-2016, 08:08 AM   #121
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I agree totally with what you wrote!
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I use to buy into the idea that they crashed, got to safety and where later killed and dumped back there. However in. Ow more of the belief that the police simply did not search for them at the time. They assumed they got back to the reservation and where avoiding law enforcement. When the bodies were found the police simply lied and said they had searched the ditch . Probably lied about ruby hair being found in road also. Just trying to cover up for the fact that they did not search for them at the time
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this is the prime example of something made to look sinister when it is not.


They clearly died from exposure that night, and their bodies floated up at different times

no foul play whatsoever


also, that scene with the witness who claims to have seen Arnold (think she was probably drunk and thought she saw him) that was missing from the DVD is back on the Amazon version
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No doubt they died near where they crashed. They probably both sunk through the ice and just weren't discovered by the authorities even though the area was 'thoroughly' searched.
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this is the prime example of something made to look sinister when it is not.


They clearly died from exposure that night, and their bodies floated up at different times

no foul play whatsoever
Yep, it was also made to look sinister because the police didn't want to admit that they screwed up and made an oversight. That's all it was. They missed their bodies, and instead of apologizing and admitting that they made a mistake, they kept on tooting the "murder" angle because they didn't want to admit they were wrong.

A bunch of idiots, and a complete waste of time. Make their families suffer more with the idea that their killer is still out there, when it was an accidental oversight is pretty low. Ego's are bigger than their brains.
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If this was just police incompetence why go on national tv and put their family through untold extra misery. This is one I feel their could be more then meets the eye.
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If this was just police incompetence why go on national tv and put their family through untold extra misery. This is one I feel their could be more then meets the eye.
Because of arrogance, and the fear of backlash. Some people don't like to admit that they made a mistake. What more could meet the eye? Both bodies were found in the pool of water, but one was frozen/glanced over. What would be the point of taking two heavy set teenagers elsewhere and bringing them back? The police screwed up plain and simple and didn't want to admit that they made a mistake.

Some people just suck. Even some law enforcement. That's life.
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I can't recall if it was on this thread or another, but a poster who was familiar with the area and the political culture at the time indicated there was some contention between the police and various tribes in the area. The murder investigation and the segment may have been an attempt to placate certain parties and smooth over some community relations problems. I mean, it is blatantly obvious the police grossly mishandled the case.
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Occam's razor would have it that they both died of exposure that night near the crash, and the police simply missed their bodies (either due to poor searching, because the bodies sunk below the ice, or both). I've always felt that to be the most likely scenario. That they would happen to be abducted/killed after the car accident, their bodies kept in storage for months, and then deposited back at the crash site during the spring thaw seems absurd to me. Winters in the Dakotas are extreme, and it wouldn't take long to die in those conditions on a February night. I don't recall if it was mentioned or not in the segment, but was it possible that they had been covered by snowfall?
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Occam's razor would have it that they both died of exposure that night near the crash, and the police simply missed their bodies (either due to poor searching, because the bodies sunk below the ice, or both). I've always felt that to be the most likely scenario. That they would happen to be abducted/killed after the car accident, their bodies kept in storage for months, and then deposited back at the crash site during the spring thaw seems absurd to me. Winters in the Dakotas are extreme, and it wouldn't take long to die in those conditions on a February night. I don't recall if it was mentioned or not in the segment, but was it possible that they had been covered by snowfall?
Excellent point, and I don't remember the answer.

I agree-- they both died at the scene. The police chalked it up as "two more drunk Indians" and didn't investigate further. I have always been very supportive of police (as you all know) but they really screwed the pooch on this one.
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Ruby and Arnold were very drunk and disoriented from the car crash. I'm guessing they panicked being underage minors and left as fast as they could and probably fell into ice.
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Why don't we do what some people were doing in the Korzillius thread: make all sorts of baseless and unfounded accusations about what was obviously an accident and not a mystery at all?
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Why don't we do what some people were doing in the Korzillius thread: make all sorts of baseless and unfounded accusations about what was obviously an accident and not a mystery at all?
My point exactly.
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Occam's razor would have it that they both died of exposure that night near the crash, and the police simply missed their bodies (either due to poor searching, because the bodies sunk below the ice, or both). I've always felt that to be the most likely scenario. That they would happen to be abducted/killed after the car accident, their bodies kept in storage for months, and then deposited back at the crash site during the spring thaw seems absurd to me. Winters in the Dakotas are extreme, and it wouldn't take long to die in those conditions on a February night. I don't recall if it was mentioned or not in the segment, but was it possible that they had been covered by snowfall?

I've come around to the obvious conclusion in a number of other cases somewhat quickly. With this one, I guess the reason it took me a while is because I couldn't wrap my head around how they (Arnold at least) got out of the car. Regardless though, if they managed to escape or got thrown out in the crash, I'm pretty sure they died of exposure and the police, in their incompetence, missed them during the initial search.
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Did the segment ever say how Ruby's cousin was rescued and by whom? And how long did it take for the help to arrive after the crash?
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