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Old 01-05-2011, 02:48 PM   #91
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Well like I have said many times here, there are illegal activities that go on with Indian reservations like meth manufacturing and drug trafficking.
Oh, so like...everything that goes on outside reservations?
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Well like I have said many times here, there are illegal activities that go on with Indian reservations like meth manufacturing and drug trafficking. If there was more behind this then these people are not going to get on national tv and talk about it. They have to live with the people they may feel where behind this.
There's drug trafficking in every area in the US, not just reservations. Why would criminals use an intentional car accident (if this is what this was) as a method of execution?There are far better methods that ensure that there are no witnesses left to testify what happened.

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There's drug trafficking in every area in the US, not just reservations. Why would criminals use an intentional car accident (if this is what this was) as a method of execution?
There are far better methods that ensure that there are no witnesses left to testify what happened.
Exactly. If someone were trying to run them off the road they almost certainly would have checked the cab of the car for other witnesses. The fact that Arnold's cousin was still alive tells me this was not the case.
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And they never presented a clear cut motive anyone would have in killing Arnold and Ruby.

This may be a case of a family who will not accept an accidental death and is dead set on murder being the only motive. Plus, and I don't want this to sound harsh, the parents knew Arnold was drunk and did not attempt to stop him from driving that night. They may feel guilty for that as well.
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Oh, so like...everything that goes on outside reservations?
Yes exactly but its more confined to a small community
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There's drug trafficking in every area in the US, not just reservations. Why would criminals use an intentional car accident (if this is what this was) as a method of execution?There are far better methods that ensure that there are no witnesses left to testify what happened.
Good question, I really don't know the answer. Only entertaining possiblities. Like I said it could be that they where being chased and crashed. Then someone took advantage of the situation and didnt realize the other witness was in the car.
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Good question, I really don't know the answer. Only entertaining possiblities. Like I said it could be that they where being chased and crashed. Then someone took advantage of the situation and didnt realize the other witness was in the car.
But if someone were truly chasing them trying to silence them for whatever reason, they would want to check to car to see if there were any other potential witnesses/survivors.
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Good question, I really don't know the answer. Only entertaining possiblities. Like I said it could be that they where being chased and crashed. Then someone took advantage of the situation and didnt realize the other witness was in the car.
Plus if they were being chased, wouldn't the survivor of the crash have said something about that by now?
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Plus if they were being chased, wouldn't the survivor of the crash have said something about that by now?
I have covered this before. If foul play was involved then I doubt the cousin is going to set her self up to be next. If someone got away with killing them I highly doubt she is going to risk her own life by talking. Maybe thats why she seems to have such a clear recolection of events until they exit the vehicle at which point she seems to know nothing.
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But if someone were truly chasing them trying to silence them for whatever reason, they would want to check to car to see if there were any other potential witnesses/survivors.
This happened on a public road. Obviously its not a desolate road because someone came along to help not long after it happened. If someone was chasing down Arnold and Ruby then maybe they wanted to get out of there quick before someone else came along.
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Just watched the segment for the hundredth time... there isn't a doubt in my mind that fowl play was involved. I truly believe they died that night following the crash.
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If they were murdered, then why? What is the reason? It's bizarre how they were found in different stages of decomposition. Arnold was found deeper in the water than Ruby was. Why was her body only found in shallow water and his wasn't? Something also tells me that someone held onto their bodies until they were dumped in the ditch because police searched that area thoroughly before their bodies were found. I have a feeling that someone might've used Ruby for necrophilia after she died and before her body was dumped, but that's just my opinion.
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If they were murdered, then why? What is the reason? It's bizarre how they were found in different stages of decomposition. Arnold was found deeper in the water than Ruby was. Why was her body only found in shallow water and his wasn't? Something also tells me that someone held onto their bodies until they were dumped in the ditch because police searched that area thoroughly before their bodies were found. I have a feeling that someone might've used Ruby for necrophilia after she died and before her body was dumped, but that's just my opinion.
If they were murdered, this would mean that several people would have had to have been involved in their deaths. Arnold was a big guy, so one person alone would not have been able to haul his body away from the pond to then bring it back to the exact location of the accident and dump it for some unknown reason. It would have been difficult for two people. Same with Ruby. It would have been extremely difficult for one person to move bodies back and forth for some nefarious purpose. So that begs the question, how many people were involved? Why would more than one person want Arnold and Ruby dead? And why would several people be hauling Arnold and Ruby's bodies around all the while leaving the one surviving witness alive and well in the car? It just doesn't make any sense. I'll have to use Occam's Razor on this one. There was an accident involving drunk occupants, so any decision Arnold and/or Ruby made would have been impaired by alcohol. I think it's as simple as an accident that resulted in Arnold and Ruby walking away from the crash site, probably in a drunken disorderly state, and they died shortly after near the crash site. Their bodies were simply missed initially by investigators.
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When I watched this segment as a kid, I thought it was quite the mystery. Now, I definitely think that it was an accident. It's telling that even after they found Ruby's body, they still could not see Arnold's body with the naked eye - they had to drain the ditch, and then they found him! Does this not suggest that his body was, in fact, difficult to see? It stands to reason that Ruby's body would have been similarly difficult to see before the ice thawed to the extent that it had when she was found.

It's also interesting that the coroner found the cause of death to be exposure. This fits the accident scenario like a glove. As other posters have asked, who kills people by exposure? Even if someone did kill them in this way, the coincidental timing is literally unbelievable.
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When I watched this segment as a kid, I thought it was quite the mystery. Now, I definitely think that it was an accident. It's telling that even after they found Ruby's body, they still could not see Arnold's body with the naked eye - they had to drain the ditch, and then they found him! Does this not suggest that his body was, in fact, difficult to see? It stands to reason that Ruby's body would have been similarly difficult to see before the ice thawed to the extent that it had when she was found.

It's also interesting that the coroner found the cause of death to be exposure. This fits the accident scenario like a glove. As other posters have asked, who kills people by exposure? Even if someone did kill them in this way, the coincidental timing is literally unbelievable.
I entirely agree with everything you've mentioned in your post. As has been stated at the beginning of this thread, the differing stages of decomposition can easily be explained as well for the very reasons you mentioned--the two were in different points in the water, especially when the spring thaw came.

Earlier in this thread was a post by someone who seemed to either live in the area or had people close to the investigation. He or she stated the two were found in something like ten inches of water. That's enough to slow decomposition--the cold weather itself is enough to slow it considerably (and the Dakotas are COLD in winter). Tissue breaks down more slowly. There's little to no insect activity. The body itself will freeze.

As absolutely tragic as the accident was, this never seemed like much of a mystery to me. They were driving drunk, there was a wreck, they wandered out into a freezing winter night, and were found dead from exposure. That's the simplest explanation, and IMO the most likely.
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