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Old 12-28-2009, 09:21 AM   #61
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I don't know about anyone else but to me 5K back in 1983 is a nice chunk of change.
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Old 12-28-2009, 12:35 PM   #62
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I agree. Especially if you have no other means to make that type of cash.
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What about the possibility that Tim's wife was involved? I mean, Tim seemed to be the quintessential mama's boy. That can be very annoying to a new wife. Could Tim be covering for her?
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What about the possibility that Tim's wife was involved? I mean, Tim seemed to be the quintessential mama's boy. That can be very annoying to a new wife. Could Tim be covering for her?
I wonder if Tim's wife appeared as herself during the segment? Tim played himself during the whole segment (even during the part of the actual wedding ceremony!) and I wonder if an actress or his actual wife participated in the segment. I know she didn't participate in any interview on camera.
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Old 12-28-2009, 04:53 PM   #65
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What about the possibility that Tim's wife was involved? I mean, Tim seemed to be the quintessential mama's boy. That can be very annoying to a new wife. Could Tim be covering for her?
She would almost certainly have to have known that Tim McClure was up to something shady.

I wouldn;t put her past being directly involved, as well.
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This guy just acts so guilty!

Tim says that when he realised that the police were suspicious of him, he "started to feel like the victim". Does anyone else find this a strange statement? Of course the police are going to consider him as a potential suspect, he was the last person to see the victim and he has no alibi for 2 hours after her disappearance. His mother has been murdered, and HE feels like the victim?!
Just to play devil's advocate if I may...

I think it is reasonable to assume that suspects who are actually innocent believe it should be plainly obvious to the police and anyone else that they are innocent. As a society, we are indoctrinated from a young age to believe that "the system works", so the cops should be able to sort out the innocent from the guilty with relative ease. Naturally, if I know in my heart of hearts that **I** didn't commit the crime, surely the cops will see that too. Doesn't always work out that way. In fact, this is where wrongful convictions often start. Then throw in the fact that most of us are used to having our word accepted and believed one hundred percent of the time. Now we're talking about an extremely serious situation where you have not done anything, are truthfully saying you have not done anything, and yet you are still being called a liar. It's easy to see how a person thrust into a volatile situation like McClure's could come away feeling like a victim because the police didn't believe them. Hell, I probably would have lawyered up from the get-go and not even made a statement to the police at all had I been in his shoes - and that is assuming he is actually innocent!

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Tim says his wife was still gambling with her parents, so he gambled alone for two hours. Does this mean that shortly after he says he dropped off his mother, he met with them briefly?
Good question. It is hard to say based on what they presented. But, this would be great to know.

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Two days before her body was found, he said he was looking for her purse. This was before anyone knew that her purse was missing.
He discovered that his mother wasn't at home Friday morning, I believe. This was suspect because her car wasn't at her home either and she had apparently taken some time off work (presumably to attend Tim's wedding). If McClure truly believed his mother was missing and possibly a victim of foul play, I don't think it would be unreasonable for him to drive the route from his mother's home back to the last place he saw her and look for some sign of her along that route. He did say he was searching parking lots for her car, so why not look for other clues too? I actually think the whole thing with the purse was a miss-communication or a misunderstanding between him and the police that was blown out of proportion. Ultimately, I feel the purse issue is just too subjective to have any bearing on his guilt one way or another.

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He looked for his mother's car in the parking lots of all the casinos that were along his mother's route home, except for one - the one where her car was.
Not to start the whole "is there a God?" argument, but I can actually forgive this.

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He called the credit company, apparently indicated that his mother was dead and cancelled the account. He did this a couple of days before his mother was murdered. I think that this is probably just an error. Maybe the person wrote down the wrong date, and assumed that the mother was dead. Nobody is stupid enough to cancel the credit cards of someone they plan to murder. He would not benefit from cancelling her cards prematurely.
Yeah, I think it's entirely possible the credit card company receptionist got the dates wrong. Like you said, nobody is that stupid. I can't believe he would call and say his mother was murdered if he was guilty and knew full well that no one else in the world knew she had been murdered. That makes zero sense.

Personally, I would put more weight on the fact that he and his wife failed the polygraph tests. I think that's more telling than any of these other clues.
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Along those lines, I must say I did think UM's presentation was kind of strange. They didn't even touch on alternate theories as to who could have killed Terri McClure.
If it wasn't Tim, than it was probably some random stranger. That could be literally anyone. I don't think it would have been someone Ms. McClure would have known.
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He discovered that his mother wasn't at home Friday morning, I believe. This was suspect because her car wasn't at her home either and she had apparently taken some time off work (presumably to attend Tim's wedding). If McClure truly believed his mother was missing and possibly a victim of foul play, I don't think it would be unreasonable for him to drive the route from his mother's home back to the last place he saw her and look for some sign of her along that route. He did say he was searching parking lots for her car, so why not look for other clues too? I actually think the whole thing with the purse was a miss-communication or a misunderstanding between him and the police that was blown out of proportion. Ultimately, I feel the purse issue is just too subjective to have any bearing on his guilt one way or another.
The segment doesn't really say, but we don't know for sure if Tim knows whether or not Ms. McClure planned to stop at another casino after she left the one she was at with the family. Assuming she went there, at least that's where her body was found. Secondly, I don't recall for sure, but I think it was a considerable distance, so Tim searching for the purse is kind of like looking for a needle in a haystack.

You seem to be changing your tune on this justin, are you defecting to the other side? I seem to recall you making fun of crystaldawn because she thought Tim was innocent.
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Just to play devil's advocate if I may...
If you take each of these things by themselves, they mean next to nothing. But if you put them all together, it just makes me believe that he probably did it. He purposely conducted a fruitless search for his mother's car, and accidentally let slip that he knew that his mother's purse was missing before he could've known this. If he really believed that the holy spirit told him not to go into that parking lot, wouldn't he have asked the police to search it for him? And the fact that he called himself 'the victim' is maybe just another clue that indicates how self-centred he is.
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The segment doesn't really say, but we don't know for sure if Tim knows whether or not Ms. McClure planned to stop at another casino after she left the one she was at with the family.
The segment says that he walked her to her car so she could go home. It would be good to know whether anyone else can verify whether this is what the mother intended to do. Given that these people seemed to be pretty hardcore gamblers (gambling for hours after a wedding), perhaps the real plan was to continue gambling and the mother and son went to another nearby casino and that's when he shot her.

That would explain why her car was found where it was. If it were just a robbery, why would he drive the car to another parking lot and shoot her there instead of just shooting her in the original parking lot?
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That would explain why her car was found where it was. If it were just a robbery, why would he drive the car to another parking lot and shoot her there instead of just shooting her in the original parking lot?
If it was Tim, I would imagine he did that because he knows he can be placed at the casino in the area he was married at, but can't necessarily be placed at the casino where his mother was found.
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i'm not sure that money was necessarily the motive. That she was murdered on his wedding night makes me think that perhaps she didn't approve of his wife. Perhaps she objected to the wedding at the last minute and there was a fallout from that. It would have been helpful to hear what the wife had to say.
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The segment doesn't really say, but we don't know for sure if Tim knows whether or not Ms. McClure planned to stop at another casino after she left the one she was at with the family. Assuming she went there, at least that's where her body was found. Secondly, I don't recall for sure, but I think it was a considerable distance, so Tim searching for the purse is kind of like looking for a needle in a haystack.

You seem to be changing your tune on this justin, are you defecting to the other side? I seem to recall you making fun of crystaldawn because she thought Tim was innocent.
You know, the best I can say here is that I don't know. I think a few years ago I thought McClure was guilty as sin (see an earlier post on this thread I authored back in 2003), but the more I watch the story the more doubt creeps in. The only way I could really see him pulling it off would be if it were an argument that escalated to violence and he covered it up possibly with his wife's assistance. Problem with that is a gun was used. The gun suggests pre-meditation. But to whack your mother on your wedding night for 5k? I dunno.

Since you think he is guilty, can I ask how you think he did it? Do you believe it was pre-meditated? Where do you think it occurred? If he did kill her, I doubt he did it in the parking lot, and I would assume he set up the scene the morning her car was found.
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...I would assume he set up the scene the morning her car was found.
Personally, I highly doubt he did this. The guy is 6' 6" and had long hair...I don't know about you, but I would notice someone with those characteristics, especially if he was setting up a murder scene in the middle of a parking lot! If he was more average in height and had a more typical shorter hairdo for a guy, he wouldn't of stood out as much.
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Personally, I highly doubt he did this. The guy is 6' 6" and had long hair...I don't know about you, but I would notice someone with those characteristics, especially if he was setting up a murder scene in the middle of a parking lot! If he was more average in height and had a more typical shorter hairdo for a guy, he wouldn't of stood out as much.
The odd thing is though that the car sat in that parking lot with her body posed in an obvious position and yet no one saw it/reported it for three days. If we assume robbery gone bad, I think it's unlikely the robber would take the car anywhere after killing Mrs. McClure - a shooting that most likely occurred inside the car, at that parking lot. If the car was moved into this position after the fact, I think it's a lot more likely that this was done by Tim.
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