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Old 09-14-2010, 05:44 PM   #121
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I thought the book was just fair and was disappointed. I wish he would have spent more time interviewing peole who knew Bishop and the family. Eventhough the author was a roomate of Bishop's at Yale, it doesnt seem like he really knew him that well. Here are a few things that I got out of the book: 1. That Bishop was unquestionably working for the CIA and had extensive training which would make it possible for him to move to another part of the world and fit in much better then the average person, 2. That he won an army service medal which is apparently a difficult award to win suggesting that he did something important and was not just a bureacrat with a desk job, 3. that famous FBI criminal profiler and bestselling author John Douglas said it was the most baffling case he ever studied and that Bishop had to have help in the getaway.

All in all the book did not do a good enough job of answering the questions I have. And here are some of my questions: 1. If Bishop had been planning this murder in advance, why would he use a blunt object and not a gun, which would be much easier?, 2. The explanation that Bishop snapped simply because he did not get a promotion seems incredily lame, and hardly explains why he would committ such atrocities 3. If Bishop did want to move back to Europe and there was an issue with his family over this, why not just disappear and move overseas leaving his family behind, and assume a new identity, which would not make him the prime suspect in an infamous murder case with the authorities looking for him, 4. If Bishop had an accomplice which seems likely, what happened to that individual?, 5 If Bishop killed his family because was bored working in the state department and felt constrained by his family, I find it hard to believe that if he is alive that many people would not have seen him and he wouldnt have been caught by now. I mean if he killed his family for those reasons, I doubt he is living in the middle of nowhere working at a desk or behind a computer. He would be someone looking to enjoy life and seemed like a bit of a Renaissance man.
I didn't read Not Wanted but for 18 years no financial activity was linked to a William Bradford Bishop. What is 16 more? His wife and mother were always nagging him making him feel under appreciated. He had a better relationship with his dog. He could be living as a vagrant. He hated family life and would not want the burden. The other possibility is that any age enhanced busts were off completely? We don't know what he looks like at age 75 compared to 40 when he committed the murders
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Old 09-14-2010, 07:09 PM   #122
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His wife and mother were always nagging him making him feel under appreciated. He had a better relationship with his dog. He could be living as a vagrant.

What I have read in Not Wanted and other articles contradicts this theory. Most evidence points to the fact that at least by most outward appearances the family got along quite well. There is no evidence that I could find that Bishop was ever physically abusive towards his wife nor was he a violent person, and no one that knew Bishop stated that he was even considering leaving his wife or was unhappy with his marriage. Surely if he was unhappy with his marriage he would have confided this to a friend or acquaintance. Likewise, his wife never suggested she was considering a divorce to anyone. Instead friends of Brad Bishop and his wife, friends of their children, and friends at the country club they belonged to, had mostly positive things to say about the marriage. There is some evidence to suggest that they may have had some financial problems, but nothing like the John List case, and Bishop did have a well paying job.

And I dont believe for a second that if Bishop were alive he would be living as a vagrant. It would make no sense for him to kill his family because he was bored working at the State Department, unhappy with his marriage, and wanting more excitment in his life, and then live as a vagrant. That is hardly a better alternative or more exciting life then the one he had.
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This has probably already been discussed but I'm starting to wonder how much was going on with this case that no one knows about.

Bludgeoning his entire family to death, in a violent, gruesome, and extremely messy manner seems so different that the method that's been used in similar cases.

John List was mentioned here earlier. He shot his family, IIRC, cleaned up?, and placed them all in sleeping bags. Sort of like a twisted gesture of caring for them. Then he wrote letters of confession and explanation to his minister.

Very different from the unbelievable violence used in the Bishop homicide case.

silver posted that Bishop received a rare high level award for some kind of job related activity. Is the reason he was given this recognition publicly known, or was this an unexplained recognition, or never revealed for security (or other) reasons?

Unlike Justin Burgwinkle, the young military man who disappeared after claiming to be involved in top secret military activities, and seemingly desperate to live a life of international intrigue, Bishop actually had the talent, training, experience, and capability of being involved in that kind of thing. He spoke multiple languages fluently, which was what Burgwinkle was hoping to learn in order to become a spy type, so he be involved in conducting secret missions.

I realize that I'm starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist here, but what if Bishop crossed the wrong people in the course of his gov't work or was discovered to be or suspected to be a "spy"? If this was a complete cover up, those types of shady people would know how to violently kill Bishop's family, kill him, and expertly frame him for the crime.

It's been stated that just before the murders, Bishop bought an ax, a tank of gas for his car, filled up a gas can, likely for the arson of the bodies, and took $400 out of his bank account. The police say it was Bishop who did those things, but what if it was just someone impersonating him? Do the cops have definite proof that Bishop was the man engaging in these activities?
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Old 09-15-2010, 10:26 AM   #124
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I realize that I'm starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist here, but what if Bishop crossed the wrong people in the course of his gov't work or was discovered to be or suspected to be a "spy"? If this was a complete cover up, those types of shady people would know how to violently kill Bishop's family, kill him, and expertly frame him for the crime.
That is one of the alternative theories in the Not Wanted book. I'm not sure I'm ready to say I think its true but there is no way to disprove it either.
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Old 09-15-2010, 11:12 AM   #125
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My own question:

What was Brad Bishop's motive in murdering his entire family?

With John List, he said that his family, and daughter especially, were starting to live a life of sin and he sent them on to heaven before they condemned themselves to hell through their lifestyle choices. Yeah.... really weak motive, IMO.

With Bishop, he's been thought to have left the country and started a new life. He didn't profit financially from murdering his whole family. He didn't kill them, then try to stay here and start over without the people who he likely viewed as draining his finances or nagging him or pressuring him or whatever.

Since Bishop took off to europe, why didn't he just leave the country without killing his whole family? The end result was the same, only 5 people would still be alive, and he wouldn't be wanted for murder.
A possible motive for killing his entire family instead of just leaving for europe could be his huge ego. I don't think he would have wanted his family to be alive because they could then stain his name and his image if they were to speak negatively of him for abandoning them. But by killing them before leaving, Bishop may have thought or even known he could get away with it and move on with his life living under a different name in a different location. Obviously, the name William Bradford Bishop has been stained beyond repair at this point (unless somehow, we find out one day that he is actually inoccent in all of this) but because we are told he is fluent in five languages and because he is extremely sophisticated in many ways, he could live under an assumed name and be somewhere living what would appear to be a normal life and nobody would ever get suspicious. But at the same time, he could have just as easily moved somewhere and changed his name without killing his family first. So who knows.

I think there is another interesting question too. And that is, why did he set the bodies on fire if he intended to get away with it? It seems that if he would have just buried the bodies in a remote location 300 miles from home in North Carolina, the chances that they would have been found would have been much slimmer. Someone would have eventually gone into the Bishop house in Maryland and seen the excess blood and assumed the entire family had been killed including the father, right?

At the end of the day, I think the one and only true motive was that he just didn't care whether anybody found out anything. I think he knew he could get away with it. That's why the crime was committed so sloppily. He was probably already in Europe (in his mind) well before the crime occurred. And then the investigation didn't begin until a week or so after the murders so he had a huge head start on the authorities. Combine that fact with a well thought out plan done ahead of time and Bishop's incredibly high level of intelligence and sophistication (fluency in 5 languages, a B.S. from Yale in addition to 2 other masters degrees from 2 other colleges) and you have the reason why Bishop has still not been caught.
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Do you feel that Brad Bishop is still alive?

Assuming he did not committ suicide after the murders, do you believe he had an accomplice to help him get away?
1. Unless the 'Balkan revenge' theory is true, I do believe Brad Bishop is still alive.

2. And yes, I think he had an accomplice.
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Old 09-15-2010, 06:18 PM   #127
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I thought the book was just fair and was disappointed. I wish he would have spent more time interviewing peole who knew Bishop and the family. Eventhough the author was a roomate of Bishop's at Yale, it doesnt seem like he really knew him that well.
One thing that really hurts that book is that the murders were committed 12 years after the last time the author saw or heard from Bishop. He says he met up with Brad for the last time on thanksgiving day 1964. So, other than what he's read in articles, he really doesn't know anything about Bishop's personal life especially whatever may or may not have been going on around the time of the crime.
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I think there is another interesting question too. And that is, why did he set the bodies on fire if he intended to get away with it? It seems that if he would have just buried the bodies in a remote location 300 miles from home in North Carolina, the chances that they would have been found would have been much slimmer. Someone would have eventually gone into the Bishop house in Maryland and seen the excess blood and assumed the entire family had been killed including the father, right?

This is one of the many things that make zero sense to me. You drive several hundred miles to a remote wooded area and dig a hole to bury the bodies, and then set it on fire, ensuring that a park ranger, will notice it and someone will put the fire out, making it pointless to dig a hole and bury the bodies in the first place? If he had just buried the bodies there, no one would have noticed. Heck, in all likelyhood, its possible that the bodies would not have been discovered period!


At the end of the day, I think the one and only true motive was that he just didn't care whether anybody found out anything. I think he knew he could get away with it. That's why the crime was committed so sloppily.

Really? If he had buried the bodies, perhaps they never would have been found. Heck, without the bodies, would there even be enough circumstantial evidence to convict Bishop in a trial? I think the greater likelyhood is that the way the strange way in which the bodies were buried, suggests that there is a lot that we do not know about this case and probably that the official story is merely a guess as to what happened. And by the way, why do people put so much stock into the "Bishop is an egotistical maniac theory?"

He was probably already in Europe (in his mind) well before the crime occurred.

So he planned it out in advance, and didn't just "snap" as Roy Harrell suggested? Yeah, I never bought that theory. But then why we would he murder his family in a way, that suggests that the murders were committed spontaneously in an act of rage? Using a blunt object like a ballpeen hammer, seems very unlikely to be a murder weapon of choice, especially if the murder was planned in advance.
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Hey silver11, what do you think about the 'Balkan Revenge' theory that the author talks about in NOT WANTED? Do you think gangsters that Bishop dealt with more than a decade earlier when he was in the army could have returned looking for revenge after he had allegedly killed one of their own? And do you think they could have caused him to miss the promotion by revealing some damaging info about him to the State Department?
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I dont buy the Balkan Revenge Theory. If he was killed I would find it more plausible that he crossed someone in the CIA and was taken out by the CIA. I am convinced he did not committ suicide, and believe he has been dead for a long time. Whether or not he was killed or died of natural causes I dont know.
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Silver11, Here's a quote from an article I posted on this website a while back that may answer this question, assuming Bishop committed the crime and is still on the run:

Forensic psychologist Richard Walter believes that Bishop had rationalized the murders even before they had been committed. "A trigger activated the killing," says Walter. "He was ready, waiting for the opportunity, and the trigger came." Walter describes Bishop as a narcissist who operated at the level of image. That is why he married and had children. Bishop did what was professionally appropriate, but he did not form any real bonds with his family. "He married his high school sweetheart mere months after graduating college, almost as if he had his life mapped out." Walter explains that Bishop's "perfect image" was shattered when he lost the State Department promotion. "He sees how well his family is doing and they become a threat to him," Walter said. "Brad needs to be seen as the reason why his family is happy and successful. During the time his career was slowing down, his wife, Annette was taking classes at the university of maryland and was concentrating more and more on doing her own thing and not just being the typical housewife/trophy wife that Brad most likely preferred. On top of that, the entire family (except Brad) had pretty much grown accustomed to living in their home in Bethesda. It was during their third year there that they were killed, and it was the first time since getting married that Brad and Annette had lived in any one place that long. For once, the kids were able to establish a familiar routine and comfortable niche in a place they lived, which any father in a perfect world would be happy about. But that fact only added to his resentment towards his family. He feels that since they have become comfortable living in Bethesda, and aren't looking forward to traveling again anytime soon, to him, that means they don't support him and his career. He's working towards a promotion which he ultimately doesn't recieve, a promotion that would mean another overseas tour, and when he starts thinking that his family didn't want to travel anyway, he becomes overwhelmed with a kind of depression that leads to anger, which sadly led to violence. Brad was growing restless at not getting promotions and not being able to travel the world and learn about other cultures, which was his true love. He told some coworkers that he dreaded the day he would have to sit behind a desk, but by the mid 70's, thats what he found himself doing. For so long, it was him who was the center of attention, and the singular reason for any success his family was having, but when that was no longer the case, he couldn't deal with it. His ego wouldn't allow it. He thought his family was just there to make him look good, and how good they looked depended on how much he allowed them to. When they were breaking out and finding themselves, and his career wasn't making progress, he decided to make a change. Now they are no longer any use to him. He can cash out. He gets rid of them, leaves a trail and then says, 'Come catch me you fool!' He becomes a hero to himself for life. Now he has a purpose again."
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I read Not Wanted this week. It definitely was interesting. It gave me a view of Brad as a victim instead of a suspect.
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Dallascowboys,

I did read that. I suppose its possible, but again its just a theory.
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I was thinking that if Bishop wasn't content with his life and wanted a change or wanted to start over why not fake his own death and just flee? The fact that he didn't do that makes me a little bit more inclined to believe that he may have indeed been a victim and not a suspect. I just watched a movie last night about a government official who was bored and discontent with his family life so he faked his own death and ran off with another woman. But he wasn't able to hide the truth forever as his past eventually caught up with him. But he didn't have to kill his family before running away, he just took off. Does anybody think that if Bishop would've been found if he had just been a mid-level employee at the state dept who simply ran away without harming anybody? I'm beginning to change my stance on this and I'm beginning to think that despite how intelligent and sophisticated Bishop was, either the CIA was somehow involved in his escape or he was killed in some kind of Balkan revenge plot shortly after his family was. For all intents and purposes, the CIA has said that they have no records of him ever working for them, but I think thats what they should be expected to say considering the top secret nature of the business.
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In the book, ANATOMY OF MOTIVE, author John Douglas states that the combination of the missed promotion, Bishop's supposedly overbearing mother, and the fact that Bishop's wife didn't want to travel anymore could be considered motives to kill but they are, according to the author, "far from convincing, especially when you consider the brutal manner in which the murders were committed." Anybody agree at all?
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