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Old 09-03-2009, 01:31 AM   #76
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Regarding the male voice heard in the background of the "Anthonette Emergency Call"....

I watched this one today. I could not even tell that the voice was a man. It actually sounded like a woman to me.

However, that could be because of the poor quality of the DVD I have... it's old fer sure.
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Old 09-03-2009, 08:13 AM   #77
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that's just it, though. The girl never states that she's in trouble, in addition to not mentioning any details about where she's at/the abductors. the only thing she states is her name in location. If i called 911 right now and just gave my name and location, they would be like "so what's the problem?" Again, I'm not faulting Antoinette or whoever it was, but the call just seems odd to me.
I agree. Although Anthonette may have been fully aware that saying her full name would be effective (she had been missing for some time at that point, and very well may have noticed the public had been alerted of her disappearance), it's a little hard for me to imagine a little girl doing this in lieu of immediately explaining what the problem was, i.e., "Help me; I've been kidnapped", etc. I can't even really imagine many adults doing that, but that's nothing more than personal impression.
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There is another theory local authorities thought of but could not quite prove as the stories gathered centered around the immediate family. This thread is quite interesting and it has some good points.

I'm not too sure how to say the whole thing but it mainly focuses on the mother as being the one directly involved. The neighborhood in which this family resided is considered very low income, within city limits, and on one of the main roads in the city. Approximately a week after this abduction occured, the mother acquired a brand new vehicle that was well beyond her income capabilities. If my child was abducted, having a new ride would be the last thing on my mind.

Also, the mother's behavior after this abduction wasn't 'normal' for someone who was grieving. I don't remember details but it was along the lines that she had a carefree attitude as if she knew her daughter was ok. A theory that wasn't really emphasized due to the limited resources of people to interview, was that the mother arranged for her daughter to be 'married' off (illegally of course) in exchange for money (and how she got her vehicle).

Taking that into mind, the mother and the other party conspired the kidnapping to make her disappearance more legit. Its a huge possibilty she made sure her daughter was awake enough to hear the knock on the door and knowing she would answer it had she believed it was her uncle. And while this event happened, the mother kept quiet in the room but didnt anticipate that Wendy (the sister) witnessed this situation (if she even did to begin with). I say this only because I knew Wendy as a child and she was no angel, not even close. She was in constant trouble, a well known liar, and a bully. There's a possibility that her behavior was the result of years of instilled fear from her mother in regards to 'witnessing' this kidnapping.

If the mother is involved, that would explain the daughter's reluctance to runaway and seek help, knowing that her mother is the one involved with her departure. The phone call a year later could also be a ploy to keep up with the story of kidnapping and keep the mother clear. If you take Lori Hacking's husband as an example, he was involved with the search for his own wife and in the end, he was the one who killed her. He even went on national television pleading for her return. If this happened recently, what makes you think it didn't go on back then when she was kidnapped?
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Approximately a week after this abduction occured, the mother acquired a brand new vehicle that was well beyond her income capabilities. If my child was abducted, having a new ride would be the last thing on my mind.
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She could have planned to buy the car long before the abduction. You also are forgetting that she has another child that she may need to carry along.
Even though her child is abducted she still has to go through everyday activities. There plenty of ways to purchase vehicles under a low income.


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Taking that into mind, the mother and the other party conspired the kidnapping to make her disappearance more legit. Its a huge possibilty she made sure her daughter was awake enough to hear the knock on the door and knowing she would answer it had she believed it was her uncle. And while this event happened, the mother kept quiet in the room but didnt anticipate that Wendy (the sister) witnessed this situation (if she even did to begin with). I say this only because I knew Wendy as a child and she was no angel, not even close. She was in constant trouble, a well known liar, and a bully. There's a possibility that her behavior was the result of years of instilled fear from her mother in regards to 'witnessing' this kidnapping.
That's waaaay too complex a plan. There is also no way to verify your claims about Wendy.


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If the mother is involved, that would explain the daughter's reluctance to runaway and seek help, knowing that her mother is the one involved with her departure. The phone call a year later could also be a ploy to keep up with the story of kidnapping and keep the mother clear. If you take Lori Hacking's husband as an example, he was involved with the search for his own wife and in the end, he was the one who killed her. He even went on national television pleading for her return. If this happened recently, what makes you think it didn't go on back then when she was kidnapped?
Huh? why would she call the police that she was abducted in the first place?

There are so much easier ways to make money, than this bizarre plot you mentioned.

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Also, the mother's behavior after this abduction wasn't 'normal' for someone who was grieving. I don't remember details but it was along the lines that she had a carefree attitude as if she knew her daughter was ok. A theory that wasn't really emphasized due to the limited resources of people to interview, was that the mother arranged for her daughter to be 'married' off (illegally of course) in exchange for money (and how she got her vehicle).
I don't know if there is a "normal" response for child abductions.

Limitationed Resources? The FBI was involved. It was a childhood abduction. On an Indian reservation. The FBI agent could get a full squad on the case if he wanted too.

In childhood abductions, the parents are always a prime suspect. I'm pretty sure she was looked at thoroughly.

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Considering this would have happened on an Indian Reservation or even in Mexico, legality could be a grey area. Does age of consent laws go for Reservations?
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There is another theory local authorities thought of but could not quite prove as the stories gathered centered around the immediate family. This thread is quite interesting and it has some good points.

I'm not too sure how to say the whole thing but it mainly focuses on the mother as being the one directly involved. The neighborhood in which this family resided is considered very low income, within city limits, and on one of the main roads in the city. Approximately a week after this abduction occured, the mother acquired a brand new vehicle that was well beyond her income capabilities. If my child was abducted, having a new ride would be the last thing on my mind.

Also, the mother's behavior after this abduction wasn't 'normal' for someone who was grieving. I don't remember details but it was along the lines that she had a carefree attitude as if she knew her daughter was ok. A theory that wasn't really emphasized due to the limited resources of people to interview, was that the mother arranged for her daughter to be 'married' off (illegally of course) in exchange for money (and how she got her vehicle).

Taking that into mind, the mother and the other party conspired the kidnapping to make her disappearance more legit. Its a huge possibilty she made sure her daughter was awake enough to hear the knock on the door and knowing she would answer it had she believed it was her uncle. And while this event happened, the mother kept quiet in the room but didnt anticipate that Wendy (the sister) witnessed this situation (if she even did to begin with). I say this only because I knew Wendy as a child and she was no angel, not even close. She was in constant trouble, a well known liar, and a bully. There's a possibility that her behavior was the result of years of instilled fear from her mother in regards to 'witnessing' this kidnapping.

If the mother is involved, that would explain the daughter's reluctance to runaway and seek help, knowing that her mother is the one involved with her departure. The phone call a year later could also be a ploy to keep up with the story of kidnapping and keep the mother clear. If you take Lori Hacking's husband as an example, he was involved with the search for his own wife and in the end, he was the one who killed her. He even went on national television pleading for her return. If this happened recently, what makes you think it didn't go on back then when she was kidnapped?
Very interesting post I do think it is odd that the mother "bought" a new, expensive car a week after her daughter was abducted, although, as "mastermind" mentioned, that doesn't really say much, and we don't know the circumstances behind it (perhaps this was given to her as a gift by a sympathetic friend/family member, or even community member). Maybe her other car (if she even had a car) wasn't working and this was a gift. Regardless, it does not make me suspicious.

Wendy being a bully doesn't mean she's hiding something; she could just be a bully, or she could be kind of screwed up given the fact that she witnessed a kidnapping and her sister was abducted... You appear to be making conclusions that aren't supported necessarily.

I know you did say it was a theory, and it is interesting to hear about other info of victim's families that were not available to the public (especially from a local resident such as yourself).

Can you give us any more information on the kidnapping? Was the mother questioned extensively?

The one thing I noticed is that on several missing person sites that profile Anthonette, they say that "the police initially thought she was abducted but now believe she is dead." Do you know why they decided that?

It does make me wonder if they now believe she was killed in the home, or somewhere else, and was never abducted at all????

Please give us some more details if you know anything. Thanks.
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There is another theory local authorities thought of but could not quite prove as the stories gathered centered around the immediate family. This thread is quite interesting and it has some good points.

I'm not too sure how to say the whole thing but it mainly focuses on the mother as being the one directly involved. The neighborhood in which this family resided is considered very low income, within city limits, and on one of the main roads in the city. Approximately a week after this abduction occured, the mother acquired a brand new vehicle that was well beyond her income capabilities. If my child was abducted, having a new ride would be the last thing on my mind.

Also, the mother's behavior after this abduction wasn't 'normal' for someone who was grieving. I don't remember details but it was along the lines that she had a carefree attitude as if she knew her daughter was ok. A theory that wasn't really emphasized due to the limited resources of people to interview, was that the mother arranged for her daughter to be 'married' off (illegally of course) in exchange for money (and how she got her vehicle).

Taking that into mind, the mother and the other party conspired the kidnapping to make her disappearance more legit. Its a huge possibilty she made sure her daughter was awake enough to hear the knock on the door and knowing she would answer it had she believed it was her uncle. And while this event happened, the mother kept quiet in the room but didnt anticipate that Wendy (the sister) witnessed this situation (if she even did to begin with). I say this only because I knew Wendy as a child and she was no angel, not even close. She was in constant trouble, a well known liar, and a bully. There's a possibility that her behavior was the result of years of instilled fear from her mother in regards to 'witnessing' this kidnapping.

If the mother is involved, that would explain the daughter's reluctance to runaway and seek help, knowing that her mother is the one involved with her departure. The phone call a year later could also be a ploy to keep up with the story of kidnapping and keep the mother clear. If you take Lori Hacking's husband as an example, he was involved with the search for his own wife and in the end, he was the one who killed her. He even went on national television pleading for her return. If this happened recently, what makes you think it didn't go on back then when she was kidnapped?
very interesting post. you seem to have more inside information. I think i was the original poster who posted my suspicions on the mother. I think many posters here would like to hear more on this case.
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Some interesting takes. A common theme amongst many cases profiled on UM was the failure of LE - indeed, I think many rural LE agencies lack the ability to properly investigate and handle crimes such as murder and abduction, leading to many solvable mysteries being UM...

Anyway, you'd think LE would have investigated the mother comprehensively, being that you'd always start with the people in the house. Nothing in the segment suggests she's suspected in any way, shape, or form, so I'd be hesitant to suggest she was involved without a showing that LE hasn't done their job and some evidence of motive, etc.

My prior comment on the "uncle joe" story stands. I just don't find wendy's story credible, so in my mind the entire mechanics of the abduction are unknown.
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Some interesting takes. A common theme amongst many cases profiled on UM was the failure of LE - indeed, I think many rural LE agencies lack the ability to properly investigate and handle crimes such as murder and abduction, leading to many solvable mysteries being UM...
This case was investigated by the local FBI since it was an abduction. Reservations have a local FBI agent available that investigates any criminal cases. The reservation police had a resouce that very few small towns had, they're own FBI office!!

Again, this is an abduction, not a murder case. These cases should get as much attention as an abduction in a large city.

Keep in mind that many states have a state burea of investigations that assists small rural communities. These investigators usually competent since a lot of them used to work for large city police departments.

To be honest, there's really no basic rule when it comes to investigations in large or small cities Sometimes, small rural investigators are better since they only have one or two cases and can focus on cases more. A large city homicide unit, has to clear cases in 48 hrs and move on to the next investigation.
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Just getting a quick glance at this thread, sorry I can't really elaborate on details all to much at the moment...heading out the door.

The house she was abducted on was not on reservation land whatsoever. It is well within the City of Gallup limits and idk why the FBI was involved. The reservation is located south of the city.

The neighborhood she lived in was one of the most poverty stricken neighborhoods in the city. The vehicle was paid in full and was not a gift or charity thing. When questioned, conflicting stories arose
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These are all very interesting posts and theories. I haven't read through all the pages yet, but I want to go back and read what others have said. The Anthonette Cayedito case was one of my favorite Unsolved Mysteries cases. These are some thoughts I had:
Why would the girls be up so late the night she was kidnapped? Where was the mother at 3 AM when the kidnapper knocked on the door? THat never made sense to me. IN fact, I remember when I first saw the case on TV, I was in elementary school and my mother used it as a lesson to scare me. ("YOu SEE? THat's why you NEVER open the door to anyone!")
ALso, what happened to Anthonette's mom and sisters? I think her sisters would be in their late 20's/early 30's today? Then again, I have not read the other pages in this thread, soI am not sure if other updates were posted.
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I wonder if antoinette was held as a "marker".
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mastermind, I don't understand what you mean by a "marker"
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mastermind, I don't understand what you mean by a "marker"
It's criminal slang for someone or something taken as collateral for payment on a debt. (though I could be wrong...)and using the wrong word)
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Hmmm... mastermind, now I wonder how you know those terms... Hmmm......
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Just getting a quick glance at this thread, sorry I can't really elaborate on details all to much at the moment...heading out the door.

The house she was abducted on was not on reservation land whatsoever. It is well within the City of Gallup limits and idk why the FBI was involved. The reservation is located south of the city.

The neighborhood she lived in was one of the most poverty stricken neighborhoods in the city. The vehicle was paid in full and was not a gift or charity thing. When questioned, conflicting stories arose
conflicting stories?
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