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Old 02-19-2007, 10:17 AM   #76
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I would pray the sisters don't agree with what their parents did. Unless the parents got Mrs. Baskin's sisters to believe in the molestation and satan worshipping crap. It would be so cool that with this episode being aired again and again that someone could find out what happened to the kids and grandparents.
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Old 02-19-2007, 10:27 AM   #77
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I highly doubt any member of Debbie or Mark's family sympathizes with the Maples. The Maples are criminals plain and simple and I highly doubt they have been in contact with any of their children since the abduction (except the bizarre letters they apparently sent to the police shortly after the abduction)

I would think that if The Maples did attempt to contact anyone in their own family by telephone or even by post, it would leave a paper trail that would make it easier to capture them. So I doubt there has been much communication between The Maples and their family over the years.
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Old 02-19-2007, 10:37 AM   #78
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I'm sure you're right, especially about not being able to contact anyone. It would be too risky. I've just seen so many women turn out to be just like their mothers, it makes me wonder. It breaks my heart to imagine the Maples doing this to their daughter. It seems like weird science fiction. Also them having been missing for all this time. You don't have to have children to have this case stick with you.
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Old 02-19-2007, 11:14 AM   #79
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You don't have to have children to have this case stick with you.
I couldn't agree more. And this is coming from someone who has no interest in ever having kids in the future. I can't even begin to comprehend how a person could do something like this to their own daughter.

There are just certain lines you don't cross, especially with your family. I think that's why this case always stuck out with so many people - and why to this day, Sgt. Anita Flagg STILL has people approach her on the street asking if those kids have been found yet.
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Old 02-25-2007, 06:37 PM   #80
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I just watched this today and it makes me sick that these evil people would do this to their daughter.

Nothing would please me more then to have these people finally be caught.

I can't think of an Unsolved Mysteries segment that has rattled me as much as this one has.
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Old 02-25-2007, 06:43 PM   #81
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I found a Katharine Farmer age 26 in Denver, CO and a Robert Farmer age 25 in Denver, CO.

A coincidence?? Maybe.... but I wonder if it's them!!

I also wanted to comment on this because maybe it's just the believer in me but that seems like it might be something.

I don't know how you would do it, because imagine getting a call from a stranger asking if you are Kristi Baskin and that you were kidnapped.
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Old 02-26-2007, 07:54 AM   #82
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Well after someone commented that I should call them... I thought that maybe I should do something.

So I emailed the DoeNetwork with the info that I had found. And that thought that maybe it was them. And if anyone looks into it if they could please email me back to let me know.

That was a week ago and I haven't heard a thing. But I dubt I'll hear back from them. I'm sure they're really busy. Especially if this is a new lead to them.
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Old 03-27-2007, 05:19 AM   #83
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Haha thanks for that Awsi, I think I will write him and give him a piece of my mind!
Yes, you do that! When I saw this segment I gave the judge a great big demerit for giving the Maples interim custody of the children throughout the entire custody battle. Surely it would have made far greater sense to put them in custody of the court while they investigated the charges? In a parallel case, the Pat Farmer case, which also featured on Unsolved Mysteries, the judge had the brains to do that. It didn't stop that particular grandmother from kidnapping her grandson once those particular molesting charges collapsed but it did show more wisdom on the judge's part.

Judge Corlew's explanation that he made his judgement to, in effect, to be on the safe side, did not wash with me at all. Not when he allowed the third child, Michael, to remain in custody of two accused child molestors. Nor did he seem to find it peculiar that the grandparents were making no move to remove Michael as well.

Anyway, the judge makes the decisions in custody cases, so he must take responsibility he makes the wrong decision. So Mr Baskin is right; he must take responsibility for the whole fiasco of a custody battle.
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I'm going to weigh on this as best as I can:

While I DO NOT think that it was in the children's best interests to be placed in the custody of their grandparents, I can understand why the judge chose to do this. Basically, from my understanding of family law, when a child is to be removed from the care of their custodial parents, the judge looks to what is called "the best interest of the child." There are several factors which are involved in this, and they depend on the state that you're in.

My best guess is that the Baskin children were placed with their grandparents because the courts felt staying with their grandparents would be less traumatic than entering into a foster home. This logic is why you see so many children with drug-addicted parents that haven't been removed from the home. I'm not saying I agree with this logic, but I thought that some might be interested in the reasons WHY the judge may have ruled the way he did. I certainly don't believe he thought the Maples posed a flight risk.

Also... I forget to mention this because there is no such thing as "grandparent custody rights" in Montana, but the Baskins sound like they were in a state where grandparents ARE given custody rights... I think the only way a child would go to their grandparents in Montana would be if the parents were absolutely unfit as parents. I just didn't see that in the case of the Baskins.
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LooksLikeCRicci, I understand what you're saying but it's besides the point. Judge Corlew made no effort whatsoever to talk to the children OR the Baskins when the Maples made all of these false allegations. He just accepted them at face value. I know he probably never thought this old couple could lie about something like this but I would assume you would need some kind of proof to take the children out of the Baskin's custody. And even though he believed the Maples, he apparently didn't think much of the Baskin's third child, Michael and where to place his custody.

Corlew might have made more of an effort to talk to EVERYONE involved if he knew that some bad blood had developed between the Baskins and the Maples the previous 3 months. I can understand in a normal situation, the court would want to give the grandparents temporary custody but this wasn't a normal situation. Far from it. And Corlew would have known this wasn't a normal situation if he would have done his job.
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Yes, but how about placing the children in a neutral atmosphere so their evidence is not contaminated? I suppose they didn't understand much about how easily children could be influenced and be coached/brainwashed into saying things that weren't true. I also think this case occurred at the time when satanic abuse scares were epidemic, which was rotten timing for the Baskins (but perfect timing for the Maples).

And for all the judge knew, it could have been the Maples who were doing the molesting and were just trying to cover up for their crime. Did he ever think of that?

And the fact remains that Judge Corlew did nothing at all about Michael and did not seem to care that a third child was in the hands of two alleged child molesters, which really spikes whatever logic there was in his reasons for letting the Maples have temporary custody.

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Say, did anyone ever see the Oprah Winfrey programme, "My Mother Won't Give Me My Baby Back"? I saw this not long after the Baskin segment on Unsolved Mysteries. Seems Oprah had been getting hundreds of letters from mothers in a similar position to the Baskins; grandmothers who look after their grandchildren for a while and then don't give them back.

I was most surprised to see Mrs Baskin on the programme. She was in the audience and accosted another problem grandmother.

As a matter of fact the problem has become so widespread they made a telemovie about it: "A Kidnapping in the Family" with Kate Jackson as the nutty grandmother. This movie was based on no particular case but was a composite of real-life cases. Perhaps the Baskin and Pat Farmer cases were among them.

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Even if the Maples are never found, one can only hope retribution will come to them another way. Two factors worth pondering:

Bobby and Kristi are now at an age to be independent, find their own lives and get married. But I wonder how that will square with the grandparents who did this all because they could cling to their grandchildren?

The grandparents are aging now and years of running and hiding must be taking their toll. How much longer can the grandparents keep this up before old age overtakes them completely?
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Even if the Maples are never found, one can only hope retribution will come to them another way. Two factors worth pondering:

Bobby and Kristi are now at an age to be independent, find their own lives and get married. But I wonder how that will square with the grandparents who did this all because they could cling to their grandchildren?

The grandparents are aging now and years of running and hiding must be taking their toll. How much longer can the grandparents keep this up before old age overtakes them completely?
Agreed. If the Maples have any control over Bobby and Kristi nowadays, it would have to be mind control (serious brainwashing) as the likelihoood of any physical control is small, due to Bobby and Kristi being young adults and the Maples being at an advanced age.

I don't think the Maples murdered their grandchildren. I think that was just a threat. As much as I don't agree with what the Maples did, I think they did it because they loved the grandchildren and I can't imagine them harming them.
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What exactly did the Maples say in these letters they sent just after they took the children? I only know that they threatened to kill them rather than see them restored to their parents. Or is that classified information?
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