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Old 04-20-2006, 01:55 PM   #46
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The whole theory of Katherine falling off of her mother's vehicle cannot be true, because her body was found on a stretch of road that her mother didn't drive on to get home. A map of the neighborhood was shown on the segment and it clearly shows which route the mother took and where Katherine's body was found, two different areas!
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The whole theory of Katherine falling off of her mother's vehicle cannot be true, because her body was found on a stretch of road that her mother didn't drive on to get home. A map of the neighborhood was shown on the segment and it clearly shows which route the mother took and where Katherine's body was found, two different areas!
Actually, you got this totally wrong. Katherine's body was found on a place where her mother's car had driven. What makes the case myseterious is that Katherine started walking toward her house one way, but her body was found past her house if she would have continued to walk that way. So that's why people theorize that she jumped on the back of her mom's car--her body was found on the same route the car went, and not along the route she was walking.
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I'm not sure what to think in this case. Katherine could have decided it was too hot to walk and decided at the last minute to jump on the back of her mom's car. I don't know if Katherine's mother would have been driving fast enough to injure her fatally if she had climbed on and fell. It hard to imagine it was an abduction and she was kidnapped, murdered and put on the road all in 15 minutes time. I was reading a memorial page for Katherine and someone speculated that maybe Katherine had met a friend on their bike and decided to get on and fell off hitting her head and the friend panicked and fled. Just speculation of course.
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I know whenever I put my car into drive or pull away, I always glance in the back of my rearview mirror. When Katherine's mom pulled away from the mailbox, I wonder if she checked her mirror. I'm saying this because if Katherine somehow jumped on the back of the car, her mom would have noticed she was gone, and not walking back to the house, as she would have been on the back of the car. In saying that, if her mom checked the mirror, you would have thought she would have seen her standing on the bumper.

I've never thought of that crystaldawn, maybe she was playing with a skateboard, or like you said riding a bike. This case still makes me wonder, not very many things can happen in 15 min.
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Here's where I get stuck: The police dogs picked up Katherine's scent in the field, meaning that she walked past the mailboxes towards the empty field. This is where her scent stops. Is it possible for a young girl to hand her mother the mail, turn and walk in the direction of an empty field, suddenly change her mind, turn around, run back towards her mothers car, and get on the back on the car ALL before her mother drove away?

I don't think it's possible. I believe that foul play was involved in this case.
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I agree. Earlier I had posted about the theory of grabbing her mother's car. I really think that she could have grabbed the car and tried to hang on, then fell hitting her head. I think she could also have grabbed the hinges as well as the door handle or top.
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But the mom had stated that when she found Katherine, that her hair and clothes were neat, just like someone had laid Katherine out for her to find. If she had fallen off her mom's vehicle, wouldn't her hair and clothes be all dirty and messed up? Just a thought.
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It seems that she most certainly fell off the back of the vehicle, because her injuries were consistent with falling. She may have rolled onto her back and died in that position. She didnt get all scratched up because she probably cracked the back of her skull and therefore didnt get any scratches on her face or body. Does anyone have access to the autopsy report? Also, remember, that witnesses and families are the most unreliable people around, they think they see things that they didnt, and dont report accurately. Science talks to me, its infallable!
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I've often wondered if perhaps she was accosted by someone, and that person got scared off before they could finish the deed.

Also, she may have played in the vacant lot before. That would explain the dog finding her scent there.
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I personally think that she jumped on to the back of the car and fell off.
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The main area of heat on a car on a hot summer day in Texas is the hood above the motor and the fenders. Trust me. I tried to sit on my hood once after I had been driving it and almost burnt my cheeks!
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Sorry I don't see a failed kidnapping working here. why? the time line. Random grabbings are rare although they do happen, I don't see a mobile suspect driving through a secured neighborhood grabbing a girl. There just would be easier targets out there before he gets to a random girl who just happened to get out of her mom's car and get the mail. Also there was no evidence mentioned that Katherine had any restraint or resistance marks on her body if she had put up a fight.

Someone trying to get at Bon Jovi through his manager? Why Bon Jovi would be easier to get to than going to Texas and stalking the managers family.. possible but seems like a bit of stretch.

Scent in the wooded area, K9's make mistakes they are not infallible (maybe he was tracking a cat or a rabbit). hey there was a case of a recent missing marine in an atlanta hotel, they brought in the dogs and they never located the marine who was found in the hotel maintenance room.

Hit and Run? If Katherine was hit by another car that car would leave marks and evidence (broken headlamps,side mirror,paint etc) no evidence was found in this case, again 15 minutes wouldn't leave the perp enough time to frame catherine clean the scene and flee..

So this sad case brings us a very sad likely answer:

A child trying to hitch a ride on an big SUV. If you've been in suv you know that back passenger side corner is is the hardest area to see. Let alone another kid in the car, the radio playing etc. She probably fell off, because it was too hot or lost her grip and hit her head. There is a reason kids need to where helmets when they ride bikes even a low speed fall can cause serious damage.
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Guys, I have a solution. I have been working on this all evening. I have decided that it has to be a murder. And this is how I have come to my conclusion:

Go to www.google.com.

In the search box, type: Austin, TX Katherine Korzilius

My background data: Anybody who is a Bon Jovi fan (or enemy) knows who Paul Korzilius is. He is ALWAYS thanked on the Bon Jovi albums and is even in some of their videos (my reference being the video "Access All Areas," a backstage documentary).

Ok, so back to google. The 9th listing is a .pdf for the Texas Governor's State Music Directory file. Download it. Now, do a search for Paul Korzilius within the .pdf.

There he is, on page 18. Listed under BJM. Hmmm, wonder what that is. Could it be... Bon Jovi Management?! His house address is listed in a free statewide directory. Listed there is his phone number, his fax number, and even his EMAIL address! I even downloaded the FREE version of Google Earth. It IS a HOUSE address!

So there you go. If I can locate his house address in a matter of a couple of hours, any criminal can find him. Mr. Korzilius probably has made a lot of friends--and even more enemies--in the music industry. It is so sad, but very true. Whoever it was probably killed his daughter to get to him. The best way to hurt a person is to hurt that person's kid. I know this because I am a parent and I absolutely hate for my child to be in pain. I would much rather suffer the pain myself.

Now I am NOT saying I know who the killer is, but I doubt a six year old would have the strength to jump onto her mom's moving car (especially one as tall as a Suburban) with a broken finger. I also doubt the little girl would be able to get out of a struggle and jump from a moving car. She was probably picked up by the murderer, beaten, and then dumped in the middle of the street.

The only thing to explain now is the how her hair and dress were neatly arranged where she was found. Were they, in fact, actually neatly arranged? Or is that how Mom wants to remember her precious daughter?

I guess my case in point is if you are a famous, or have something to do with somebody famous, like Jon Bon Jovi, for example, do NOT list your home address with a professional organization such as the State of Texas Governor's Music Directory. It is just not smart. Use a business address in town. Preferably one with a good security staff.
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Guys, I have a solution. I have been working on this all evening. I have decided that it has to be a murder. And this is how I have come to my conclusion:

Go to www.google.com.

In the search box, type: Austin, TX Katherine Korzilius

My background data: Anybody who is a Bon Jovi fan (or enemy) knows who Paul Korzilius is. He is ALWAYS thanked on the Bon Jovi albums and is even in some of their videos (my reference being the video "Access All Areas," a backstage documentary).

Ok, so back to google. The 9th listing is a .pdf for the Texas Governor's State Music Directory file. Download it. Now, do a search for Paul Korzilius within the .pdf.

There he is, on page 18. Listed under BJM. Hmmm, wonder what that is. Could it be... Bon Jovi Management?! His house address is listed in a free statewide directory. Listed there is his phone number, his fax number, and even his EMAIL address! I even downloaded the FREE version of Google Earth. It IS a HOUSE address!

So there you go. If I can locate his house address in a matter of a couple of hours, any criminal can find him. Mr. Korzilius probably has made a lot of friends--and even more enemies--in the music industry. It is so sad, but very true. Whoever it was probably killed his daughter to get to him. The best way to hurt a person is to hurt that person's kid. I know this because I am a parent and I absolutely hate for my child to be in pain. I would much rather suffer the pain myself.

Now I am NOT saying I know who the killer is, but I doubt a six year old would have the strength to jump onto her mom's moving car (especially one as tall as a Suburban) with a broken finger. I also doubt the little girl would be able to get out of a struggle and jump from a moving car. She was probably picked up by the murderer, beaten, and then dumped in the middle of the street.

The only thing to explain now is the how her hair and dress were neatly arranged where she was found. Were they, in fact, actually neatly arranged? Or is that how Mom wants to remember her precious daughter?

I guess my case in point is if you are a famous, or have something to do with somebody famous, like Jon Bon Jovi, for example, do NOT list your home address with a professional organization such as the State of Texas Governor's Music Directory. It is just not smart. Use a business address in town. Preferably one with a good security staff.
That's a lot of work and a lot of enthusiasm. And a lot of massive longshot scenarios turned into "probably."

That was 10 years ago so we have no idea if the access to the info was as simple as tonight, when you found it. The internet obviously wasn't nearly as popular, although certainly not in its infancy. Google was founded in 1998 so I doubt you would have received that search result in '96. Search engines in general weren't nearly as sophisticated 10 years ago. And Katherine Korzelius wouldn't have shown up in any search results until after her death. The father, perhaps. Of course, it didn't have to be the internet or a search engine if someone was that intent on murder. They could have obtained the info elsewhere.

My reliance on probability tells me to normally exclude extra and unknown variables, products of random speculation. I believe it was an accidental death. I probably stated that earlier in this thread although I'm not certain. My scenario requires exactly one variable: a little girl who was alone and out of sight of her family and somehow died on a hot day.

Once you start injecting angry people who are out to get Mr. Korzilius, etc., the likelihood diminishes by enormous percentage. That's what the conspiracy minded never fully grasp. More people and variables and speculation means LESS likely, not more. How do we know someone hated Mr. Korzelius that much? How frequent is it for someone to kill a family member, instead of the person they are targeting? I mean, right there, that's an incomparable stretch. How often is a child killed as a vengeful murder, with no intent at physical assault? Try to name a handful of UM cases with those realities, or even speculation along those lines. Murder in itself is extremely rare, much moreso than accidental death.

How did the person(s) know the family would be there at that particular day and time? That the girl would leave the car? That they wouldn't be spotted? That there wouldn't be evidence linking them to the murder?

It's not completely unlike DB Cooper/Richard McCoy. Give me the most basic explanation and I'll take my chances.

I just checked. My post was #12 on page 1, similar ideas. Except in tonight's post I forgot it required a 15 minute window.
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I do sound a bit paranoid, huh?

I will tell you, though, I have been a crime victim. More than once. The first time, they (whoever "they" may be...) busted out my car window and stole my radar detector. $1600 worth of damage to my window and my rear fender (probably a brick or rock thrown to break the glass and it bounced off my paint, causing a large dent) for a $150 radar detector. Go figure. I was about 21 then.

Next, my house was vandalized. TWICE! The two main front windows were each broken out on two separate occasions. (Keep in mind, being only 23, I had no real enemies--or so I thought.)

About a year or so later, my son was kidnapped. I did not see him and had no idea of where he was for six weeks. I eventually found out my ex's relatives took him. I had to get a court order to get him back. That was pretty devastating.

And more recently, I now own a small chain of cellular phone stores. Four times in the past two years I have been robbed. I live in a completely different city now so I know it's not the same people.

I guess I am just tired of the craziness.

I am not using my experience to lash out or retaliate. I am just trying to understand the mind of a criminal so I can be more aware of things in my life I can change to better protect myself and those I love.
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