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Old 05-27-2019, 01:03 PM   #406
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It's just a damn shame that Tom McFall wasted so much time and effort being led down a primrose path trying to uncover information about his son's interest in medieval culture and pagan religion. I think it was a rabbit hole that may have taken Tom McFall's attention away from the true nature of what indeed happened to his son and if indeed his son was murdered that is truly unfortunate.
To play devil's advocate though, I can't help but think that Tom McFall, rightly or wrongly, didn't have much of a choice in pursuing this line of investigation. I say this for two reasons.

First, any murder investigation is going to start with those people who are closest to the victim and who were with them when they died. If we consider that Kurt was spending the night with Caradoc, then naturally Caradoc becomes the logical suspect. Although Tom McFall didn't directly point the finger at Cardoc on the segment (perhaps they had to be careful here due to slander laws), I get from some of Caradoc's comments that McFall very much held him responsible for Kurt's death. So, I think that from Tom McFall's point of view, further investigation of Caradoc and his religious group would be warranted.

Second, I got the vibe from the segment that Kurt hid things from his father. Granted, a lot of teenagers do this for various reasons. But, it seems that Tom was pretty much in the dark about Kurt's involvement with these groups (SCA, pagans). When he searched Kurt's room after the fact and found evidence of Kurt's involvement with those groups, again, this is where the investigation should lead in his mind.

I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I'm guessing you're alluding to the fact that there could have been other reasons for Kurt's death aside from the groups that Tom didn't acknowledge. Some posters have pointed to the possibility of a homosexual angle. Not sure if that's what you were alluding, but it could definitely suggest an alternate motive for murder (assuming it was) and it looks as if those closest to Kurt were oblivious to it - though it's ultimately hard to say just going by the segment alone which is clouded itself and a product of the media reporting of the late 1980s and Satanic panic which would further reinforce the need for this particular focus, and a lack of focus on other, perhaps more plausible, possibilities.
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If we are speaking of homicide it could've been anything quite frankly. A great deal was made of the state of McFall's car at the time of his demise, but much of that can be explained away. However, I've still been unable to resolve why McFall's suit of armor was missing from the trunk. I've often wondered if Kurt was accosted (not necessarily over the suit of armor) and then tossed off the cliff. The suit of armor could've been poached by whomever did him in as some type of strange memento of their crime. However, it's far more likely that Kurt McFall went rock climbing in the darkness and fell to his death. I understand that Kurt's father mentioned that his son was an experienced climber and diver but Land's End is notably treacherous even during daylight hours. At night it's a potential death trap.

Over the years I've developed a degree of sympathy for Gabriel Carrillo. I know there are rumors about him making advances towards his students, but those accusations have not been vetted out or corroborated in any form, so I'm not going to lend much credence to them for now. Outside of the fact that Carrillo pursued what was at the time viewed as a unique form of religion, he's really no more suspicious than anyone else IMO. Kurt McFall had unique interests and I don't doubt that he might have lost any number of his friends in his pursuit of these hobbies, but his interests were pretty harmless. Again all of this is in hindsight but unfortunately I think it hampered what should've been the focus of the investigation here and that is whether or not McFall fell to his death or if he was assaulted and then tossed over the cliffs.
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However, I've still been unable to resolve why McFall's suit of armor was missing from the trunk.

Over the years I've developed a degree of sympathy for Gabriel Carrillo.
You shouldn't have any sympathy for Carrillo whatsoever, save that sympathy for Kurt and his father. According to Gabriel's obituary:

"He (Gabriel) was very active in the Society for Creative Anachronism, serving as King of the Western Kingdom in 1969, establishing many rules and awards that are used by the Society to this day."


Isn't it strange that Kurt's SCA gear randomly went missing while he was staying at the king of SCA's home? Who else would even bother taking it or knew what it was? I have a really strong feeling that Kurt's SCA gear was the murder weapon. Those lacerations on his back/shoulder line up with what would be a sharp object, one of which was probably in Kurt's gear.


The more I look into this case, the less coincidental it all seems to be. Kurt was last seen by Gabriel at Gabriel's house where he, by Gabriel's words, went swimming at 3 a.m. It's glossed over that Gabriel was a prominent member of the SCA, of course knowing what the trunk in Kurt's car was for.

Now I'm wondering who else is covering for Caradoc. The other thread that Huskerz had posted has some quotes from some people associated with the SCA. One of whom talked about the babe in my AVI, Hilary of Serendipity:

"That would be the one, all right. The lame thing is that the crime WAS
solved..a couple of punks having nothing to do with the SCA or the
alleged "semi-Druid" pagan group killed him when they decided they
wanted his armour...but nobody ever put that on tv. I heard it from
Hilary of Serendip some years back ...she refers to the show as
"unsolved fishwrap", as I have done ever since!"


No mention of this crime ever being solved. Also how would some random punks or "semi-druid" group knew where Kurt was at 3 a.m. to steal his gear? Sounds like hogwash. Either she was covering for Caradoc or trying to protect the SCA's name. I'm not sure, but since Caradoc was apart of that group I'm wondering who else knows something...
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I've started re-watching UM again. Just for kicks, I looked Kurt up on the UM wiki and down at the very bottom, found this

"Two months after Kurt's death, a woman contacted police, claiming that she feared for her life. The woman claimed to have been involved in a "coven" and named two people who were threatening her. These same two people were allegedly named by Kurt in a letter one month before his death. He allegedly stated in the letter that the two were "evil beyond belief". However, it is not known if the two individuals have been connected to Kurt's death"

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https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Kurt_McFall

Now I haven't read through *this* entire thread here, so I can't say whether or not the above has been mentioned before. To me though, this seems like something I hadn't heard before??
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I saw this mentioned in a Reddit thread a couple years ago. It makes the case more fun to discuss. Its implausibility is the attraction.
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