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Old 07-25-2005, 06:33 PM   #16
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Loren has given wise advice, though I would probably have added a little more sugar in there somewhere for several reasons (I'm a female, I don't like to hurt people's feelings, I'm a chicken, etc.). (I've gotten frustrated with traders, too, but rarely ever post these things.)

Since I've heard so many excuses spouted from bad traders, it's really difficult for me to swallow any of them when it's a chronic problem with a particular individual.

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Old 07-25-2005, 07:02 PM   #17
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Padre, I'm sure you remember our trade. I believe it went well, I shipped while you were away and awaited your 34 disk set of DC also I hope you were satisfied anyhow, but I also had a run in with CP32 ... of a thing she gave "advice" or somethignt o me, that offended me. So I would not deal with her again either... Also, she took a long time for me also, as I didn't really want but a couple things from her, she wanted more from me... So I picked a few more things out to even.. anyhow.. the advice, she told me in an email, and then on feedback post decides to tell me there again, like she hadn't even told me yet... to make me look bad... Really pissed me off, so that was the end for that... GL
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Old 07-25-2005, 07:12 PM   #18
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onlyemokid, I remember out trade - hope the Drew Carey's were in good shape for you. I'm sure we'll do some more down the road!

As far as CP32 goes, I don't intend on ever trading with her again (if you can even call what she and I have to date a trade!). She's now on my short list (people I won't be trading with in the future). It's a short list because most people I've dealt with on this board and CPS are reliable and honest traders. A few green ones, getting their act together - but they're trying and up front about their newbie status.
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Ugh, sorry, I didn't realize she was fishing for trades when she hadn't made good on existing arrangements.

Well, I hope you ultimately get what's owed you.

Like Jen, I rarely post bad trade reports. Some of the worst trades I've had in recent months have been with well-known, apparently highly regarded traders. I just tend to mark that person a "NO!" for future reference, and hope the next person I deal with won't bring back bad memories. :?
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how the heck do you have time to sign onto CPS and talk about new trades (which she's done in the middle of all of this).
This has not happened that I could see. She is not even online to defend herself right now. Various issues came up rather unexpected, but she does plan to make good on past promises.
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Old 07-26-2005, 02:40 AM   #21
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I've been sitting on the sidelines, watching this thread grow and I suppose it is time to give my 2 cents.

First of all - when it comes to family - they come first. I am in the middle of completing one trade and have burned 9 discs for another within the past 4 days of finding out my brother is extremely ill and in an intensive care unit. The ONLY reason I'm even online and have chosen to trade "very small" trades is to keep my mind occupied while I await updates from my sister via instant message (he is in another state). However, once I get the word that it is time to visit him - I WILL drop everything and go. I don't care who or what is left hanging - my brother is more important than a "bad trader" post. However, to assume that a trader should be concerned with sending out a few discs when they are worried about a family member - is ridiculous. Just because I'm not the attending physician doesn't mean I am not spending every waking moment worried sick - and, I know a few people who simply cannot function under stressful circumstances (regardless of what those circumstances may be). I only hope that anybody I've left hanging will be patient and give me the time I need to send what I owe. If they don't, then I can quit this hobby as quickly as I began it.

As far as money "excuses" go, some people simply cannot budget their finances and I suppose, the same thing happens with their trades. The over extend themselves. I don't believe "lack of funds" is an excuse and buying a dvd duplicator for $230 on Ebay isn't an option for a lot of traders I know. Not all traders get into mass duplication. I see this more with profiteers who are burning a LOT of dvds every week. Honestly, why would a trader who doesn't sell kick out more than 100 dvds per/week?? Even that is a very high number - wayyy more hours worth of tv shows than a person could watch if they continued to trade at such large numbers. I used to trade a lot - but, that was when I lived overseas and only had 3 crappy tv channels to watch. A good number of folks I trade with cannot log onto newegg and buy a burner on a whim, either.

I understand the points being made, but - to make general statements such as these isn't fair to those traders that occassionally over extend themselves with trades.

As far as Christina is concerned, I've traded with her 3 times (I think). Those trades were at least a year ago. My last trade with her was similar to the one describe by "Padre." She will eventually (when she can) come through with some dvds. She has never left anyone (that I'm aware of) "empty-handed" at the end of a trade. In my case, it took a few months. I know she has occasional computer problems because she had to use a library computer frequently throughout our trades.

I don't think it is realistic to tell people if you can't afford the hobby - "excuse yourself until you can." Things come up - life happens - people have money problems. This is a hobby and if it upsets you that much to not receive some dvds from someone that owes you - then, perhaps it is time to consider finding a new hobbie for yourself.

One thing I've learned in trading, patience, patience, patience. Life is too short as it is. My 35yr old brother is on a ventilator in critical condition in an ICU. Some how, 10, 50, even 100dvds just don't seem important anymore

I forgot to add: "Padre" is an honest person and one of the nicest people on sitcoms;o)
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First of all - when it comes to family - they come first.


this is always a tough and touchy subject and i have thought carefully about this so i will make this point.if somebody genuinely does have an illness or a friend/relative does have sickness or worse i would not expect them to continue the deal until it has been sorted out PERIOD!!
but if they still have access to a computer i would expect an email of some sorts to let me know,even something as simple as this.

" ......... in the family will get back to you as soon as i possibly can.

sorry about this
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if somebody genuinely does have an illness or a friend/relative does have sickness or worse i would not expect them to continue the deal until it has been sorted out PERIOD!!
I think everyone will agree to that completely! If things are that crazy, take care of them and then get back with things later.

But, if you have enough time to post messages on a board or talk about new trades, you've got time to supply your traders with updates. You should finish up ALL your outstanding trades before even thinking of starting new ones (gee, I wonder if that's why people get themselves into this situations? )
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if somebody genuinely does have an illness or a friend/relative does have sickness or worse i would not expect them to continue the deal until it has been sorted out PERIOD!!(
Your comment is absolutely true, but I don't think that is really the issue. Not many traders will pitch a fit when another has shared that they're having problems (illness in the family, lost job, my cat died, etc.). The problem is when someone uses these excuses on a regular basis simply to relieve the pressure they're under because they have gotten themselves into a bind.
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Your comment is absolutely true, but I don't think that is really the issue. Not many traders will pitch a fit when another has shared that they're having problems (illness in the family, lost job, my cat died, etc.). The problem is when someone uses these excuses on a regular basis simply to relieve the pressure they're under because they have gotten themselves into a bind.

BINGO

there are legit family problems--we all have them

thats why i said scammers have 56 times the national average of family illnesses

they are telling a flat out lie


money problems---then dont commit to trade if you cant buy blanks---and certainly dont try and make even more trades when your months behind now

time and machinery--then dont commit to 34 disc trades in this case--or whatever large number--- when your not able to handle that--if you wanna be a 30 disc trader, then perhaps an equipment upgrade will help

many people will make 10 disc trades, stick in your league, this costs about $6 with postage ---well within any budget

unforseen problems--there is no problem so bad that a person cant afford $10 at walmart for a pack of 25 discs to complete a trade--sorry i will not buy that excuse either

we all make choices, people choose to commit to do a certain trade--if you cant handle it, then pass---the fact that you committ to it, and cant do your part--tells me a whole bunch

we all have limits from money, health, time etc

when a person demonstartes that they cant produce because they over stepped their limits on numerous occasions, then is when a problem arises

once again i am speaking in general terms--i dont know this person that the thread started over, i can just say that from my experiences, these things i stated are a plain fact
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Your comment is absolutely true, but I don't think that is really the issue. Not many traders will pitch a fit when another has shared that they're having problems (illness in the family, lost job, my cat died, etc.). The problem is when someone uses these excuses on a regular basis simply to relieve the pressure they're under because they have gotten themselves into a bind.
no arguement here

i was just making my stance clear if this ever becomes an issue with people trading with me
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