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Old 05-05-2003, 11:47 PM   #31
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I'll e-mail you. I taped them back in 1989-1990 and 1992-1993 off BET. BTW, it will be $14 per episode.............LOL. I just wanted get your reaction with that last comment.
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OK, today I just got a response from somebody who worked for Norman Lear's company during the 1970s and here is what he had to say about this:


Well, "Good Times" WAS a spin-off of Maude. It qualifies as a spin-off simply because the character of Flordia Evans first was on Maude then was moved to her own series, "Good Times". That qualifies as a spin-off in every traditional sense of the term.

Now, the fact that the character of J.J. quickly evolved into "the star" of the show may make some believe "Good Times" was a show in its own right. But, "GT" was a spin-off of "Maude".
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OK, today I just got a response from somebody who worked for Norman Lear's company during the 1970s and here is what he had to say about this:


Well, "Good Times" WAS a spin-off of Maude. It qualifies as a spin-off simply because the character of Flordia Evans first was on Maude then was moved to her own series, "Good Times". That qualifies as a spin-off in every traditional sense of the term.

Now, the fact that the character of J.J. quickly evolved into "the star" of the show may make some believe "Good Times" was a show in its own right. But, "GT" was a spin-off of "Maude".

I can't believe this is still an issue. Producer Alan Manings stated that the character Florida Evans was WRITTEN OUT of Maude instead of TRANSITIONED OFF MAUDE. Good Times is not a spinoff.
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Just admit that you're wrong for once, Solomon.
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Just admit that you're wrong for once, Solomon.

I'm not wrong because I have the 1974 article to prove it. Just wish i post it so that this issue would be done.
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I'm not wrong because I have the 1974 article to prove it. Just wish i post it so that this issue would be done.
I got this information from a person who worked for Norman Lear's production company. It's like getting it straight from the horse's mouth. And didn't you read it thoroughly?

"It qualifies as a spin-off simply because the character of Flordia Evans first was on Maude then was moved to her own series, "Good Times". That qualifies as a spin-off in every traditional sense of the term."


And I am really starting to doubt the credibility of your Ebony Magazine.

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/...threadid=62344
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I got this information from a person who worked for Norman Lear's production company. It's like getting it straight from the horse's mouth. And didn't you read it thoroughly?

"It qualifies as a spin-off simply because the character of Flordia Evans first was on Maude then was moved to her own series, "Good Times". That qualifies as a spin-off in every traditional sense of the term."


And I am really starting to doubt the credibility of your Ebony Magazine.

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/...threadid=62344

Why are you doubting the credibiity of the magazine?
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here is what you said in that thread:


Well I was too young in 1976 to know the real reason why Mike Evans left but i started piecing things together and I figured out why Mike Evans left the show after season one. I read the 1976 issue of Ebony magazine and it was reported that Mike left because he was used less and less during season one. I guess he felt that he was the first jefferson character and was pushed to the side for Sherman Hemsley. I came to that conclusion also because I noticed he was not seen in more than one episode. So I figured it out before I read the magazine. Now it's confirmed that Sherman Hemsley took the spotlight away from Mike Evans.

This person that gave me the information on Good Times said this:

I would like to clear the air on this. I worked for the Norman Lear production company in 1975 when "The Jeffersons" premiered. Evans left the show to focus on "Good Times" which he co-created. He was gone from 1975-79 to work on "Good Times" and once that show ended he returned to "The Jeffersons". There was no resentment between Hemsley and Evans whatsoever. As a matter of fact, I recall "The Jeffersons" being one of the more happy environments to work on. It was a professional, talented cast and crew and during the five years I worked for Lear's company, I do not recall troubles on that set.

Another thing is that Alan Manings was just an executive producer. If I were to hear from the two co-creators Mike Evans and this other person whom I can't remember that Good Times was not a spinoff, then I would be more inclined to believe so.

How about I make a deal with you? If I send you a tape of a TV show of your choice (if I have any), could you send me a copy of "Ebony Magazine?"
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Well I was too young in 1976 to know the real reason why Mike Evans left but i started piecing things together and I figured out why Mike Evans left the show after season one. I read the 1976 issue of Ebony magazine and it was reported that Mike left because he was used less and less during season one. I guess he felt that he was the first jefferson character and was pushed to the side for Sherman Hemsley. I came to that conclusion also because I noticed he was not seen in more than one episode. So I figured it out before I read the magazine. Now it's confirmed that Sherman Hemsley took the spotlight away from Mike Evans.

This person that gave me the information on Good Times said this:

I would like to clear the air on this. I worked for the Norman Lear production company in 1975 when "The Jeffersons" premiered. Evans left the show to focus on "Good Times" which he co-created. He was gone from 1975-79 to work on "Good Times" and once that show ended he returned to "The Jeffersons". There was no resentment between Hemsley and Evans whatsoever. As a matter of fact, I recall "The Jeffersons" being one of the more happy environments to work on. It was a professional, talented cast and crew and during the five years I worked for Lear's company, I do not recall troubles on that set.

Another thing is that Alan Manings was just an executive producer. If I were to hear from the two co-creators Mike Evans and this other person whom I can't remember that Good Times was not a spinoff, then I would be more inclined to believe so.

How about I make a deal with you? If I send you a tape of a TV show of your choice (if I have any), could you send me a copy of "Ebony Magazine?"

Yeah i wouldn't have a problem sending you a copy of both articles about the Jeffersons and Good times. I never said Mike Evans left the show because he had problems with Sherman. He left because his role on the show became too small. I have another source backing that up-The Jeffersons Book. Mike Evans asked NormaN Lear can he leave the show and Lear told him that will not be a problem. What shows do you have in your collection?
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E-mail me at buddylafferty85@yahoo.com and we'll discuss it.
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I can't believe this is still an issue. Producer Alan Manings stated that the character Florida Evans was WRITTEN OUT of Maude instead of TRANSITIONED OFF MAUDE. Good Times is not a spinoff.
People get written off of shows to do spinoff. For example, the Ropers were written out of Three's Company so they could do their spinoff.
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People get written off of shows to do spinoff. For example, the Ropers were written out of Three's Company so they could do their spinoff.

The Ropers was not witten off because the pilot episode of the Ropers was a three's company episode. I don't know the word i'm looking for but they was not written off.
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The Ropers was not witten off because the pilot episode of the Ropers was a three's company episode. I don't know the word i'm looking for but they was not written off.
The Ropers pilot was an episode of The Ropers (if you're referencing to "Moving On") which is rerun with the opening credits of TC. Also, when a character is written out that means they are off the show. The Ropers WERE off the show, weren't they?

Also, you said:

"Why are you doubting the credibiity of the magazine?"

earlier. Are you doubting the credibility of the numerous television specials and written documents that state Good Times is a spinoff?
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The Ropers pilot was an episode of The Ropers (if you're referencing to "Moving On") which is rerun with the opening credits of TC. Also, when a character is written out that means they are off the show. The Ropers WERE off the show, weren't they?

Also, you said:

"Why are you doubting the credibiity of the magazine?"

earlier. Are you doubting the credibility of the numerous television specials and written documents that state Good Times is a spinoff.

Well i have the article and the statement was very clear by Alan Manings-Good Times was not a spinoff because they Changed the Florida Evans character. So instead of being Florida Evans who worked for Maude and married to Henry Evans in the state of NY, she became the Forida Evans who was married to JAMES evans who had 3 children a living in Chicago Family Housing Project. Does it now make sense to You? Because if not i don't know what else to say.
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This person that gave me the information on Good Times said this:

I would like to clear the air on this. I worked for the Norman Lear production company in 1975 when "The Jeffersons" premiered. Evans left the show to focus on "Good Times" which he co-created. He was gone from 1975-79 to work on "Good Times" and once that show ended he returned to "The Jeffersons". There was no resentment between Hemsley and Evans whatsoever. As a matter of fact, I recall "The Jeffersons" being one of the more happy environments to work on. It was a professional, talented cast and crew and during the five years I worked for Lear's company, I do not recall troubles on that set.

Another thing is that Alan Manings was just an executive producer. If I were to hear from the two co-creators Mike Evans and this other person whom I can't remember that Good Times was not a spinoff, then I would be more inclined to believe so.
TV Guide profiled Mike Evans early in 1980, shortly after his return to The Jeffersons, and I remember that Norman Lear made statements, which I cannot remember the exact words of right now, that led me to believe that Evans left the series the first time under less than amicable circumstances but was happy then. Apparently he wasn't happy for long, since he left the series for good shortly after then, in what I remember reading was a contract dispute.

Also, the Good Times co-creator's name is Eric Monte. He was interviewed on-camera about how his and Evans' "The Black Family" pilot eventually evolved into Good Times. I don't remember either of them being credited with any continuing position with the series, such as executive producer. I thought they had no involvement with the series beyond writing the original pilot that was the basis for Good Times.
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