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Old 01-08-2013, 08:14 PM   #46
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Did anybody else watch last night's Disappeared episode featuring Amy? I thought it was pretty well done. It gave some information that (I think) UM didn't mention. First, it went into Amy's backstory and how she and Steve met, her actions that day, and the suspicion of Steve. One interesting thing that was mentioned was after a race held to raise money for the search for Amy, Steve did not speak to her family. I don't know if it was out of guilt or possibly anger that the family suspected him, but I find it odd. Unfortunately, steve was not interviewed, but they did note that he has begun to be more cooperative and is now speaking with law enforcement.
After that, the show went into how a tip was given that Amy was hit by a car being driven by Arapahoe natives, and they buried her body in a shallow grave on nearby reservation land. They were given permission to search the area of reservation land and the car that was named, but it did not yield anything. However, I am quite eager to know about this tip, does anybody have any information? I wonder how much reservation land they were able to search?
Last, the went into the Dale Eaton angle and mentioned that there is a possibility that Eaton could have something to do with her diappearence since her knew the area and could have been there, but he is not cooperating with law enforcement. I wish this was also elaborated more on, but I don't think they have much information since he refuses to talk.
Overall, it was a good episode! If you're interested in this case, i think it is worth watching. It should be repeated this week. The title is Missing in the Mountains if it ever becomes available on the forbidden site.
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Did anybody else watch last night's Disappeared episode featuring Amy? I thought it was pretty well done. It gave some information that (I think) UM didn't mention. First, it went into Amy's backstory and how she and Steve met, her actions that day, and the suspicion of Steve. One interesting thing that was mentioned was after a race held to raise money for the search for Amy, Steve did not speak to her family. I don't know if it was out of guilt or possibly anger that the family suspected him, but I find it odd. Unfortunately, steve was not interviewed, but they did note that he has begun to be more cooperative and is now speaking with law enforcement.
After that, the show went into how a tip was given that Amy was hit by a car being driven by Arapahoe natives, and they buried her body in a shallow grave on nearby reservation land. They were given permission to search the area of reservation land and the car that was named, but it did not yield anything. However, I am quite eager to know about this tip, does anybody have any information? I wonder how much reservation land they were able to search?
Last, the went into the Dale Eaton angle and mentioned that there is a possibility that Eaton could have something to do with her diappearence since her knew the area and could have been there, but he is not cooperating with law enforcement. I wish this was also elaborated more on, but I don't think they have much information since he refuses to talk.
Overall, it was a good episode! If you're interested in this case, i think it is worth watching. It should be repeated this week. The title is Missing in the Mountains if it ever becomes available on the forbidden site.
That's a good post wonderwall. The programme you mention is not yet available on the other site to my knowledge. However there are other videos of Steve on there and if you look at his body language he appears shifty and looks to my mind as if he is concealing something whatever the subject he is discussing.

If you check #9 you will see a post there from shek,Lisa Kimmell's mother,who does discuss the possibility of Dale Eaton in Amy's murder,and it would be foolish to rule this man out in her disappearance.
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That's a good post wonderwall. The programme you mention is not yet available on the other site to my knowledge. However there are other videos of Steve on there and if you look at his body language he appears shifty and looks to my mind as if he is concealing something whatever the subject he is discussing.

If you check #9 you will see a post there from shek,Lisa Kimmell's mother,who does discuss the possibility of Dale Eaton in Amy's murder,and it would be foolish to rule this man out in her disappearance.
Thanks for the info! I find the Eaton angle very compelling. Like somebody said upthread, it would explain why Amy's body was not found in Lander. I wonder where he took her and where she could possibly be, such as around where he lived at the time. Have any searches taken place in that area for possible victims of his?
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Did the "Disappeared" show have any new tidbits that weren't shown on UM that would point to Steve being responsible?
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Did the "Disappeared" show have any new tidbits that weren't shown on UM that would point to Steve being responsible?
IMO, the tone of the show concerning the tidbit I posted earlier about how Steve behaved at the race was slanted more towards it being a clue that he might have done it. According to the family (Amy's mother and brother were mainly interviewed for the show [side note, Amy and her sister were her brother's "best men" in his wedding. I thought that was pretty precious!]), at this memorial run that was the same track as Amy was mapping out for the 10k she was planning when she disappeared, before the race, Steve gave a very heartwarming and intense speech about how people couldn't give up looking for her, etc. However, afterwards, when the family saw him, he completely blew them off. I think the Bechtels may have perceived it as guilt, but I thought it may be more anger. I am iffy about whether Steve did it, I think the Eaton angle holds more weight.
On the topic of Steve, the show did get into more information about his interrogation, and it had a quick read through of one of his journal entries (or at least summarized one of them). The same "Dave" sheriff (although he may not be a sheriff anymore) was interviewed, but I forgot what he said. The way they presented Steve, it made him come off as possibly guilty since he seemed very uncooperative with being investigated. Plus, the show wasn't that balanced in that section since Steve himself wasn't interviewed and neither were the neighbors who supported him.

One interesting thing I forgot to mention was that the person who claimed to see Steve's 4 x 4 on the road the day Amy disappeared could not make a positive ID towards Steve or Amy being inside. I'm not sure that was mentioned on lifetime, but it seemed like Disappeared portrayed it as a not very credible siting.
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IMO, the tone of the show concerning the tidbit I posted earlier about how Steve behaved at the race was slanted more towards it being a clue that he might have done it. According to the family (Amy's mother and brother were mainly interviewed for the show [side note, Amy and her sister were her brother's "best men" in his wedding. I thought that was pretty precious!]), at this memorial run that was the same track as Amy was mapping out for the 10k she was planning when she disappeared, before the race, Steve gave a very heartwarming and intense speech about how people couldn't give up looking for her, etc. However, afterwards, when the family saw him, he completely blew them off. I think the Bechtels may have perceived it as guilt, but I thought it may be more anger. I am iffy about whether Steve did it, I think the Eaton angle holds more weight.
On the topic of Steve, the show did get into more information about his interrogation, and it had a quick read through of one of his journal entries (or at least summarized one of them). The same "Dave" sheriff (although he may not be a sheriff anymore) was interviewed, but I forgot what he said. The way they presented Steve, it made him come off as possibly guilty since he seemed very uncooperative with being investigated. Plus, the show wasn't that balanced in that section since Steve himself wasn't interviewed and neither were the neighbors who supported him.

One interesting thing I forgot to mention was that the person who claimed to see Steve's 4 x 4 on the road the day Amy disappeared could not make a positive ID towards Steve or Amy being inside. I'm not sure that was mentioned on lifetime, but it seemed like Disappeared portrayed it as a not very credible siting.
With reference to the last paragraph I haven't watched the new programme but on the Unsolved Mysteries programme from what I took from it the woman camper positively identified Steve's truck the day after the murders as the one she saw around 4:30pm on the day of Amy's disappearance,with a blonde woman in the passenger seat and a male figure driving fast.
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They mentioned on "Disappeared " that the woman who saw the truck was unable to make a positive ID. Now I know that doesn't completely rule out Steve Bechtel, but frankly I'm with the other posters: Dale Eaton is worth pursuing. Frankly I don't see anything real damning about Steve except that he wrote creepy poetry.

Out of curiosity, is there really any way they could be sure that a mountain lion didn't drag Amy away? After all, that area is known to have them and if one did carry her off, it'd be very hard if not impossible to find her. I'm sure though that the FBI probably has solid reasons to believe that it was foul play.
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They mentioned on "Disappeared " that the woman who saw the truck was unable to make a positive ID. Now I know that doesn't completely rule out Steve Bechtel, but frankly I'm with the other posters: Dale Eaton is worth pursuing. Frankly I don't see anything real damning about Steve except that he wrote creepy poetry.

Out of curiosity, is there really any way they could be sure that a mountain lion didn't drag Amy away? After all, that area is known to have them and if one did carry her off, it'd be very hard if not impossible to find her. I'm sure though that the FBI probably has solid reasons to believe that it was foul play.
What is the likeliness that a mountain lion killed her? I mean, it's not impossible but I don't hear about them killing humans too often.
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What is the likeliness that a mountain lion killed her? I mean, it's not impossible but I don't hear about them killing humans too often.

If this list is comprehensive, pretty darn unlikely...
http://www.cougarinfo.org/attacks3.htm

Details all the cougar/mountain lion attacks between 2001-2010
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What is the likeliness that a mountain lion killed her? I mean, it's not impossible but I don't hear about them killing humans too often.
It's not a common occurrence at all, but if someone were going to have a surprise encounter with a large predator, Bechtel was in a likely area for it, doing an activity (running) that could trigger an instinct to attack. Typically, most mountain lions and bears would go off before you ever were aware of their presence, but there are exceptions.

With an animal attack, there would have been an increased likelihood that her remains or an attack site would have been located, but both mountain lions and bears move remains and hide them under brush.

On the segment, Amy's family did mention that Steve appeared possessive and controlling of Amy, and that he distanced himself from both her family and investigators, but the current investigation seems to be more focused on Bechtel being abducted or accidentally struck by a vehicle. That they haven't found her remains, despite repeated searches, doesn't mean much, in an area that extensive.
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I think she was probably abducted. If it was a hit-and-run, I think she was taken far from the area, then, to hide the evidence. But I really have to wonder if Eaton had a hand in this. If he was allegedly in the area and knew the area, a predator like him probably would have acted seeing a young, attractive woman all by herself in a rural area. I really doubt Lisa Marie was his first and only victim. Perhaps after killing Lisa he decided to hide the body of his other victims to throw off the trail and get rid of any evidence (with DNA becoming more prominent than in the 80s). And of course, another person could have done this.

I don't buy that she got lost or attacked by a mountain lion. She knew the area, they had her list of where she was mapping the 10k route and landmarks she had gone to and was planning for, etc. The search and rescue knew the extensive area like a book. I think at least one shred of evidence would have been found had she been attacked by a mountain lion or creature, like a piece of her clothing.


I was very surprised that Steve and the neighbors were only mentioned but not interviewed. Maybe they declined, maybe they were busy, wanted to move on, who knows. (Not an indicator of guilt at all, in my opinion, just mentioning). We did see clips of interviews with them. I am in the camp that Steve didn't do it. I think he really was out mountain climbing that day.

I tend to agree with the bruises from sexual activity argument. If Amy really smiled and said "Steve gets a little rough sometimes" then I doubt she would have smiled and been so nonchalant if it was abuse. The Disappeared segment mentions that Steve stands behind her and puts his hands on her shoulders right after that, which is kind of portrayed threateningly, but it could have been nurturingly for all we know. The notebook entries sound weird, but hey, as a writer myself, I wouldn't want anyone to psychoanalyze my work. Some of the subjects happen to be dark. I really would love to read the works and see why Amy's mother was so disturbed (she mentioned it portrayed his feelings about women including Amy), because I can't really form a solid opinion on this piece of "evidence" with just general knowledge of what was in those writings.

One thing that did bother me was how Amy was supposed to be a dominant personality and was totally "compliant" in her relationship with Steve. Was it just her trying to please him or was he really possessive? One red flag was her looking at him to see what she should order in a restaurant. My second cousin's stepfather was abusive and would control her to the extent of what she could order in a restaurant (I know that's child v. adult, but I still think it's a bit disturbing. Particularly between two adults). However, at the moment, I think Steve is probably not guilty. I'd have to see more evidence to change my mind. All of the above might just be taken out of context.
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http://www.cougarinfo.org/attacks3.htm

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Four kills in a decade span and the remains were found each time? Yeah, I think that's a good argument against a mountain lion attack even if it probably doesn't have every single attack. Few of those even ended in death. Not to say it isn't possible, but I don't think that's what happened.
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I also think it's highly unlikely that a mountain lion would be able to conceal her remains so well that they still haven't been located.
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I have to point out one thing I noticed in the episode at about 26:50.

It isn't damning evidence, but in my opinion it's a strong point against Steve. Now, it's already been said that they did not interview Steve. However, they showed two old interview segments of Steve and in one of them, he is asked flat out:

Reporter: "Did you have ANYTHING to do with your wife's disappearance."

Steve's reaction to this question caught me off guard because I totally believed in his innocence. He was staring right into the report's eyes as she asked the question, but as he answered...he looked away. He could not look her in the eyes when he answered that question.

Steve: "No. No I didn't."

Now, I did notice that during the other segments showing old interviews that his head bobbed a lot and his eyes flickered away quite a bit but mostly just due to his head movements or when he was trying to get his thoughts out, something he seems to prefer doing on paper.

Something about him looking away right at the moment he answered that vital question gave me a chill and made my heart drop...This was actually the culmination point of me seeing Steve in a new light. That reaction coupled with the information from Amy's family about Steve's apparent possessive tendencies and his abrupt withdrawal from talking with either the authorities or Amy's family....well I now have my doubts.

To tell you the truth my initial reaction when I Steve look away after hearing all the info against him was a slight gasp and a shocked whisper out loud to myself "Omg...omg he did it. Steve did it. He killed her."


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Just an FYI: ID has a "channel" on the forbidden site where you can buy this episode for $1.99. There were also other means of watching it there too. Amazon also has these episodes for purchase (the ones that aren't on Netflix).
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