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Old 03-03-2005, 09:43 PM   #31
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I saw two errors on that list. In The house is not a spinoff of Fresh Prince and Out of The Blue is not a spinoff of Happy Days
I got it from Wikipedia which anybody can edit. but this is the part that explains spinoffs

A supporting character or characters in an existing series is given their own show in which they become the main focus.


the show doesn't have to be in the same city or have all the same names. the producers probably thought it was better to launch the show with a character that people already liked. Good Times was not written as a spinoff but is one since Florida is in it. the creator probably didn't want the cities changed to make it clear.

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NOPE, because the Executive Producer, Alan Manings said that GT was not a spinoff in 1974.
Where did he say that?
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NOPE, because the Executive Producer, Alan Manings said that GT was not a spinoff in 1974.
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I got it from Wikipedia which anybody can edit. but this is the part that explains spinoffs

A supporting character or characters in an existing series is given their own show in which they become the main focus.


the show doesn't have to be in the same city or have all the same names. the producers probably thought it was better to launch the show with a character that people already liked. Good Times was not written as a spinoff but is one since Florida is in it. the creator probably didn't want the cities changed to make it clear.



Where did he say that?



He said that in an interview in Ebony Magazine in 74
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I don't why he said that. The reason this is a spinoff is because of the Florida Evans character. the cities were different but spinoffs don't always make sense. Day by Day was a spinoff of Family Ties and that was found out until one of the character mention someone on Family Ties.
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I don't why he said that. The reason this is a spinoff is because of the Florida Evans character. the cities were different but spinoffs don't always make sense. Day by Day was a spinoff of Family Ties and that was found out until one of the character mention someone on Family Ties.
That wasn't a spin-off. That was a cross over show because the characters of Day By Day never appeared on FT and the crossover with Day By Day happened after that show had already been on for awhile.
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That wasn't a spin-off. That was a cross over show because the characters of Day By Day never appeared on FT and the crossover with Day By Day happened after that show had already been on for awhile.
According to The Complete Directory to Prime Time Network and Cable TV Shows it was a spinoff of sorts.
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According to The Complete Directory to Prime Time Network and Cable TV Shows it was a spinoff of sorts.

The authors already explained that The Directory To Primetime Network and Cable TV Shows is not 100% accurate
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I think I have a better explanation of this debate. I emailed a man by the name of Thomas Holbrook who is the webmaster of a very popular television spinoff and crossover site. I explained what was going on here and made sure to mention all of Solomon's points on the debate. I will foward his response here.
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It is a spin off. Are there contradictions? You bet. A name change and a very odd location change did occur. And it is likely that the series was conceptualized before Maude was even on the air. None of this though means that Good Times isn't in fact a spin off.

First off the continuity problems of names and locations. So what? This is TV not nuclear physics. The rules of science are written in stone. The rules of TV reality are not. Changes can and do happen if it is believed those changes will help the show. Like I said, internal to continuing series this happens, let alone with spin offs. For example...

* Saved By The Bell's location moved from the midwest to the west coast.
* Happy Days, Family Matters and The Torkelson's all mysteriously had some of their family's kids disappear from reality without explanation.
* When John Hinkley shot President Regan, The Greatest American Hero's last name mysteriously changed from Hinkley to Hanley for about half a season.

The list goes on. Does this mean the beginning of the show isn't part of the same continuity as the end? No. It means its TV and things of that sort happen. And if such rejiggering is allowed internal to a series of course it can happen when spinning a character off. Good Times is better if its in Chicago? Okay. Chicago it is. And that is logically easier to explain away than a child disappearing from a family. Clearly between Florida leaving Maude and showing up on Good Times we missed some time where the location changed.

How's this for a changed premise. On Cheers Frasier Crane's dad was 1.) a scientist and 2.) DEAD. Does that mean because on Frasier his dad is alive and a former cop that Frasier ISN'T a spin off??? Now in that case they did later go back and explain the continuity problem away but until they did there was a discontinuity. And the fact that an explanation was possible bolsters my point about Good Times. Just because the location change wasn't explained doesn't mean there couldn't be an explanation. If they never had explained the gaffe on Frasier it would still be a spin off connected to Cheers.

Now as to "Good Times" being created before Maude. Yes, the creator had the idea. Wrote a pilot for it and everything. And there it sat. Then it gets used as a vehicle starring Esther Rolle who was then appearing on Maude. I think your friend's issue is with what constitutes a spin off. By his thinking a spin off would be where you have a character on one show and then using that character as a starting point craft a show around them. The character has to be the starting point. As opposed to Good Times where the premise for the show was already in place and then the character was added to it. Bottom line, all that is behind the scenes and irrelevant to a viewing audience. The bottom line of a spin off is a character or characters from one show leave and are made the lead character(s) of a new show. Florida Evans was a character on Maude. Her husband was a character on Maude. They then both became the central characters on Good Times. Mr. Evans did have a name change BUT he was played by the same actor. And its not like Esther Rolle was playing Florida Evans on Maude and this writer just happened to have a pilot script that just happened to have a a character in it also named Florida Evans. In the original script the character had an entirely different name. They then changed the name to Florida Evans. Why would they possibly do such a thing? By your friend's logic it would have to be simply a wacky and amazing coincidence. Well that's nonsense. They changed the name to establish continuity between the shows to help launch the show. A show about a family living in the projects back in the 70s would be a hard sell. But if you can launch it as a spin off from a hit show using a beloved character from that show as the main character, it gets alot easier to sell. The fact that the concept was born first and then reworked to fit a specific character is beside the point.

Hope that helps. I doubt it will though. Somebody feels they are right, they are going to fight to the bitter end. The truth is there is a bit of logic to your friend's arguement and if this was a math or science issue he might be right. But it isn't math or science. Its pop culture fiction. Whole different ball game. Simple logic and intent wins. Maude came first on air. Florida Evans was on that show. She left that show. Florida Evans (played by the same actress with the same actor as her husband) then appears on Good Times. Good Times is a spin off. The other issues are behind the scenes concerns the audience doesn't know of or minor continuity glitches the likes of which every TV show is littered with.
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this is what I was trying to say, but couldn't get it across

They changed the name to establish continuity between the shows to help launch the show. A show about a family living in the projects back in the 70s would be a hard sell. But if you can launch it as a spin off from a hit show using a beloved character from that show as the main character, it gets alot easier to sell. The fact that the concept was born first and then reworked to fit a specific character is beside the point.
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I think I have a better explanation of this debate. I emailed a man by the name of Thomas Holbrook who is the webmaster of a very popular television spinoff and crossover site. I explained what was going on here and made sure to mention all of Solomon's points on the debate. I will foward his response here.

Thomas agreed with me last year-LOL He switched up on me
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I gave him the link so he could read this debate. I wanted to make sure he had all of the facts. He makes a very valid point. It's a fractured spinoff, but since Florida Evans was used, it is still a spinoff.
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I gave him the link so he could read this debate. I wanted to make sure he had all of the facts. He makes a very valid point. It's a fractured spinoff, but since Florida Evans was used, it is still a spinoff.


I remember providing Thomas with tons of info in summer of 2003 so he could changed the info on his site. How did you come across his site Brian?
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I knew about his site way before I ever knew about this one.
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I knew about his site way before I ever knew about this one.

I discovered his site and this one in the same day. That was the day I became addicted to the Web-lol
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