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Old 03-02-2005, 09:12 PM   #16
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If you can give me a detailed answer as to why Florida was living in Chicago after working for Maude in NYC, I will call it a spinoff. Remember, your answer has to make sense.
I know it is in question about the poor Evans moving from Harlem to the south side of Chicago. But Brian Damage just said it about Florida Evans, not NYC or Chicago. The only way I wouldn't call it a spinoff if both shows were not produced by the same company. They both are and the same character appeared in both shows. 'nuff said.
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I know it is in question about the poor Evans moving from Harlem to the south side of Chicago. But Brian Damage just said it about Florida Evans, not NYC or Chicago. The only way I wouldn't call it a spinoff if both shows were not produced by the same company. They both are and the same character appeared in both shows. 'nuff said.

Last episode of Maude with Florida was aired on 2/5/74. First ep of GT was aired on 2/1/74 in some cities. Explain that-LOL

Also in last ep of Maude with Florida, she quits because her husband is promoted and decides to become housewife

First ep of GT-The Evans Famly have no money, and are close to be evicted.



SEE I have so many things backing me up Garfieldkool u can;t WIN this debate buddy-LOL
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Last episode of Maude with Florida was aired on 2/5/74. First ep of GT was aired on 2/1/74 in some cities. Explain that-LOL

Also in last ep of Maude with Florida, she quits because her husband is promoted and decides to become housewife

First ep of GT-The Evans Famly have no money, and are close to be evicted.



SEE I have so many things backing me up Garfieldkool u can;t WIN this debate buddy-LOL
I ain't trying to win. You are very technical and precise. It is still a spinoff by Hollywood's standards. The record books aren't going to say it isn't because TVShow Analyzer doesn't think so. Do you not want it to be a spinoff? Norman Lear himself said so. How can you go against what he did and said. I'll admit the stories are inconsistant, but the shows are related. You know what, I can't believe I'm getting into this debate with you. I guess I better back out of this and let Brian Damage get back into this because I'm dropping out of this debate. GOOD TIMES IS A SPINOFF OF MAUDE AND THAT IS A PROVEN FACT.
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I ain't trying to win. You are very technical and precise. It is still a spinoff by Hollywood's standards. The record books aren't going to say it isn't because TVShow Analyzer doesn't think so. Do you not want it to be a spinoff? Norman Lear himself said so. How can you go against what he did and said. I'll admit the stories are inconsistant, but the shows are related. You know what, I can't believe I'm getting into this debate with you. I guess I better back out of this and let Brian Damage get back into this because I'm dropping out of this debate. GOOD TIMES IS A SPINOFF OF MAUDE AND THAT IS A PROVEN FACT.

When Did Norman Lear say GT was a spinoff? What year? What Magazine? WhaT Tv Show? What NetworK? Please let me know. Back yourself UP
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I've said this before, just because the cities were different and James' name was Henry doesn't mean the show wasn't spinoff. Florida Evans character was put in the lead of this show because people liked her on Maude and it was way to get people who watched Maude to watch this new show. both Esther Rolle and John Amos did their roles from Maude on the show. that says the producers were trying to make it a spinoff.
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If you can give me a detailed answer as to why Florida was living in Chicago after working for Maude in NYC, I will call it a spinoff. Remember, your answer has to make sense.

Fine, O Wise and Omnipotent One! I have the answer right here, from the TV Tome website. Observe:


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42. Florida's Goodbye
gs: John Amos (Henry Evans) Conchata Ferrell (Rita Valdez) Jeane Byron (Housekeeper Applicant)

After Henry, Florida's husband, gets a job promotion, she must tell Maude she's leaving to become a full-time housewife. As applicants for the new job come in, Maude finds something wrong with each one. Finally, at the end of the day, Maude must say goodbye to Florida.


b: 05-Feb-1974 pc: 216 w: John Rappaport d: Hal Cooper

NOTE: This is Esther Rolle's last episode, she took her character to the Maude spin-off "Good Times" which debuted three days later on February 8, 1974.

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What does this mean? It means that Florida's husband Henry, renamed James in the new series, had received a job promotion. It was in Chicago, so the family had no choice but to move, otherwise they would have remained in NY and Florida would have continued working for Maude. How does that grab you?
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I've said this before, just because the cities were different and James' name was Henry doesn't mean the show wasn't spinoff. Florida Evans character was put in the lead of this show because people liked her on Maude and it was way to get people who watched Maude to watch this new show. both Esther Rolle and John Amos did their roles from Maude on the show. that says the producers were trying to make it a spinoff.

Well can you give me an intelligent answer as to why some CBS Affiliates aired the first ep of GT o Feb 1, 1974? Which was 4 days before Esther Rolle's last apperance of Maude-Feb 5, 1974. Explain That!!!!!
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Well can you give me an intelligent answer as to why some CBS Affiliates aired the first ep of GT o Feb 1, 1974? Which was 4 days before Esther Rolle's last apperance of Maude-Feb 5, 1974. Explain That!!!!!
That didn't have anything to do with the shows. afilliates do what the want sometimes.
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That's kinda simple actually. The spinoff pilot to Jackee Harry's show aired in some markets on NBC, while the character of Sandra Clark was still on 227. If the pilot was picked up, the show would have to write off the character. Thus, the new show aired, before the character left. The same could be said about the spinoff The Art of Being Nick.
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Last episode of Maude with Florida was aired on 2/5/74. First ep of GT was aired on 2/1/74 in some cities. Explain that-LOL

Also in last ep of Maude with Florida, she quits because her husband is promoted and decides to become housewife

First ep of GT-The Evans Famly have no money, and are close to be evicted.



SEE I have so many things backing me up Garfieldkool u can;t WIN this debate buddy-LOL
Even though I dropped out of this debate, let me just say this TVShowAnalyzer, you are a big fan of both shows, as well of Norman Lear's other shows, so you would know that Good Times IS a spinoff of Maude. I would think any fan of Norman Lear's shows would have common sense to know that.
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Even though I dropped out of this debate, let me just say this TVShowAnalyzer, you are a big fan of both shows, as well of Norman Lear's other shows, so you would know that Good Times IS a spinoff of Maude. I would think any fan of Norman Lear's shows would have common sense to know that.

Yes I am a fan of both shows but I also have come across several articles, books, and Tv programs that confirmed that GT was not a spinoff. It's just too many things supporting my argument. No one can win-LOL
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A spin-off in television is a new series which contains either characters or theme elements from an old series. They are particularly common in situation comedy.

This phenomenon was already established in radio before the advent of commercial broadcast television, for example The Great Gildersleeve was a spin-off of Fibber McGee and Molly.

Television spin-offs come in several variations, including:
  • A supporting character or characters in an existing series is given their own show in which they become the main focus. The original series continues and there may be some crossover of characters between the shows on occasion (e.g. Angel from Buffy The Vampire Slayer).
  • New characters are specially incorporated into an existing series for the sole purpose of being launched into their own show that will feature no regular characters from the original series, except possibly as guest appearances (e.g. Empty Nest from The Golden Girls, or Boston Legal from The Practice).
  • Regular characters from a series continue in their own series after the original series ends (e.g. George and Mildred and Robin's Nest from Man About the House; Frasier from Cheers). This is usually done with the same actors, though not always (e.g. Trapper John, M.D.).
  • A new series is started with the same theme as an existing series, though not necessarily with the same characters. Examples of this type are the Star Trek, Law & Order, and CSI series. These are sometimes called franchises. The reality shows Survivor, Big Brother and The Amazing Race also operate in this manner.
One notable case which is not a spin-off is when the same series is later remade. Examples include He-Man and the Masters of the Universe (1983, 2002) and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1987, 2003).

Many, if not all spinoffs, are produced by some of the original producers of the root show.

The current 'title holder', based on available information, is All In The Family for total number of spinoff series' (7, in 3 generations); there is an 8-way tie for greatest depth of spin-offs (3) (10-way, if you count game shows).

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A spin-off in television is a new series which contains either characters or theme elements from an old series. They are particularly common in situation comedy.

This phenomenon was already established in radio before the advent of commercial broadcast television, for example The Great Gildersleeve was a spin-off of Fibber McGee and Molly.

Television spin-offs come in several variations, including:
  • A supporting character or characters in an existing series is given their own show in which they become the main focus. The original series continues and there may be some crossover of characters between the shows on occasion (e.g. Angel from Buffy The Vampire Slayer).
  • New characters are specially incorporated into an existing series for the sole purpose of being launched into their own show that will feature no regular characters from the original series, except possibly as guest appearances (e.g. Empty Nest from The Golden Girls, or Boston Legal from The Practice).
  • Regular characters from a series continue in their own series after the original series ends (e.g. George and Mildred and Robin's Nest from Man About the House; Frasier from Cheers). This is usually done with the same actors, though not always (e.g. Trapper John, M.D.).
  • A new series is started with the same theme as an existing series, though not necessarily with the same characters. Examples of this type are the Star Trek, Law & Order, and CSI series. These are sometimes called franchises. The reality shows Survivor, Big Brother and The Amazing Race also operate in this manner.
One notable case which is not a spin-off is when the same series is later remade. Examples include He-Man and the Masters of the Universe (1983, 2002) and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1987, 2003).

Many, if not all spinoffs, are produced by some of the original producers of the root show.

The current 'title holder', based on available information, is All In The Family for total number of spinoff series' (7, in 3 generations); there is an 8-way tie for greatest depth of spin-offs (3) (10-way, if you count game shows).

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I saw two errors on that list. In The house is not a spinoff of Fresh Prince and Out of The Blue is not a spinoff of Happy Days
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I saw two errors on that list. In The house is not a spinoff of Fresh Prince and Out of The Blue is not a spinoff of Happy Days
Are you convinced now that Good Times is a spinoff from Maude?
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Are you convinced now that Good Times is a spinoff from Maude?
NOPE, because the Executive Producer, Alan Manings said that GT was not a spinoff in 1974.
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