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Old 09-27-2010, 08:25 PM   #16
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With "In The Soup", Beaver was still young enough at the end of the 4th season to make the episode somewhat believable. Had this been the back half of the 5th season or the 6th season, it wouldn't have worked nearly as well. Still, Beaver was silly to climb that billboard and look inside the cup. Boys will be boys.

Another 6th season episode that doesn't work too well is "Beaver Joins A Record Club". The basic idea behind the episode is fine, but Beaver ignoring the invoices as the records are mailed doesn't ring true. He should have been old enough at that point to not be so irresponsible. Then he had to ask help from his father to clear up the mess. Not really a believable episode.
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With "In The Soup", Beaver was still young enough at the end of the 4th season to make the episode somewhat believable. Had this been the back half of the 5th season or the 6th season, it wouldn't have worked nearly as well. Still, Beaver was silly to climb that billboard and look inside the cup. Boys will be boys.

Another 6th season episode that doesn't work too well is "Beaver Joins A Record Club". The basic idea behind the episode is fine, but Beaver ignoring the invoices as the records are mailed doesn't ring true. He should have been old enough at that point to not be so irresponsible. Then he had to ask help from his father to clear up the mess. Not really a believable episode.


I see your point about Beaver and the record club, but I can easily seeing him and someone else his age getting himself in a mess like that. I've seen adults do it.
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Old 09-28-2010, 07:30 PM   #18
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How about "Beaver's Skates" ? This episode is a little far-fetched. Beaver gets scammed into buying skates too big for him, but is afraid to tell his parents. He tells them he's going skating every day, but goes to the Library instead.
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I see your point about Beaver and the record club, but I can easily seeing him and someone else his age getting himself in a mess like that. I've seen adults do it.
The record club episode was probably topical for the time, those things were getting popular in the early 60's and Beaver was getting to the age where he began to appreciate music. With those record club deals, it was always advisable to understand all the terms and read the fine print, otherwise the consumer would likely end up getting more than they bargained for. Looks like Beaver just jumped into the deal without paying full attention to the terms.

It was the writers job to come up with stories for the episodes, most of the time they hit the mark, a few times they were a little off. Leave It To Beaver in the 6th season was a series in transition, it's a slightly darker season with subtle touches of occasional drama. It's different from the previous five seasons, to be sure. I like the theme music for season 6, IMO it's the best version.
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Wally graduated from high school in the 6th season, but he was said to have already been in high school in the 2nd season. That would have been 5 years in high school for Wally, that is wrong.
Grade 8,9,10,11,12. 5 years.
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Grade 8,9,10,11,12. 5 years.
I guess I will have to spell it out for you in detail. In the 2nd season Wally was said to have started high school, that would have been the 9th grade. I don't know of any five year high schools that go to the 13th grade. The only way Wally could have attended high school in seasons 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 is if he flunked a grade and had to repeat it over. That didn't happen. So following it logically, Wally should really have been in the 8th grade in the 2nd season, the last year of grammar school, not a 9th grader in high school.

It was the opposite thing with Beaver. He was always behind a grade. He was said to have been attending the 4th grade when he should have been in the 5th, said to have been attending the 5th grade when he should have been in the 6th, etc. Then all of a sudden in the 6th season, they finally get it right and Beaver is an 8th grader preparing to graduate from grammar school. But going by what was said in previous seasons, Beaver would have been a 7th grader in season 6. For example, I think there are couple times in the 1st season where Beaver is said to be a 2nd grader. And in the 4th season, he is said to be in the 5th grade. If that was the case, then in the 6th season he should have been in 7th grade, not 8th. Unless he got double promoted somewhere along the way, and that didn't happen either.

In season 6, if Wally graduated from high school and Beaver graduated from grammar school, in season 1 Wally would have been a 7th grader and Beaver a 3rd grader. Each boy moving up one grade per season. 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 for Wally. 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 for Beaver. That's the proper logic, but the series usually didn't follow this logical pattern.

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Old 10-01-2010, 07:46 AM   #22
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During the 6th season, the series had some subtle changes and a few weaker episodes slipped into the mix. A couple of those are "Beaver On TV" and "Box Office Attraction". Not saying these are bad episodes, they're just different. Box Office Attraction is unusual for a LITB episode in the fact it ends on a somber, dramatic note. Wally's dream girl ends up not being the type of girl he thought she was.
"Box Office Attraction" really is unusual; with some exceptions in other episodes like Beaver letting the hobo in the house or befriending the two boys who are economically disadvantaged, we mostly see people who are sort of the "upper crust" associating with the Cleavers -- so it's interesting to see how others of differing socio-economic status are handled, this time with Dow's character as the center of attention.

The actress playing Wally's crush does a nice job. She certainly succeeds in portraying a more grown-up woman than Wally usually goes for. Her character and that of the tennis player combine to show that Wally is moving beyond typical schoolgirl attractions.
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I guess I will have to spell it out for you in detail. In the 2nd season Wally was said to have started high school, that would have been the 9th grade. I don't know of any five year high schools that go to the 13th grade. The only way Wally could have attended high school in seasons 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 is if he flunked a grade and had to repeat it over. That didn't happen. So following it logically, Wally should really have been in the 8th grade in the 2nd season, the last year of grammar school, not a 9th grader in high school.
No need to be snarky. Actually visaman666 is correct. If you went where there was no Jr High. I went to elementary school from 1st to 7th grade. Started High School as a 7th grader. 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 - 5 years! Don't be so quick to jump on people.
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No need to be snarky. Actually visaman666 is correct. If you went where there was no Jr High. I went to elementary school from 1st to 7th grade. Started High School as a 7th grader. 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 - 5 years! Don't be so quick to jump on people.
Junior high or no junior high, it doesn't matter it's still overall the same number of grades. In the 6th season of Leave It To Beaver, Wally graduated high school (12th grade) and Beaver graduated grammar school (8th grade). So in the 1st season of the show, Wally would have been a 7th grader and Beaver a 3rd grader. But there are discrepancies in episodes of the series that don't follow this pattern. For example, in a 3rd season episode Wally is said to be a sophomore in high school. If that were true, Wally would have graduated in the 5th season, not the 6th. So in the 3rd season, Wally would logically have been a high school freshman (9th grade), not sophomore (10th grade). That is the point I'm trying to make. During the course of the series, the grades Wally and Beaver are said to be attending don't corrolate with the grades they attended in the last season of the show.

And where did you learn your math? 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12. That's 6 years, not 5.

And for the record, I didn't jump on anyone, visaman was "snarky" with me which resulted in my response.

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I disliked "The Silent Treatment" more than just about any Season 6 episode (although that season is my favorite overall) because it had Beaver acting so childishly and Ward & June acting so stupidly, unable to see Beaver's favoritism for Ward over June while Wally could see it clearly. "The Poor Loser" and "The Book Report" showed a lack of maturity on Beaver's part too, though Beaver's description of The Three Musketeers having watched a comedy movie was funny.

"Don Juan Beaver" has a funny ending to me, with Beaver dancing to that same generic rock tune which seemed to be heard in a lot of late LItB episodes but then pretending to be chastened by the punishment of having no date for the school dance when Ward went in to talk with him.
I've seen kids Beaver's age(and older) in The Silent Treatment act far more childish and immature than Beaver did in real life, so I never had a problem with the episode. There's some teens 16 and 17 that act that way.
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There is an episode where Beaver & Wally buy stock in a company and even have a difference of opinion with Eddie about which one to purchase. This one doesn't have the same funny jolt as many of the others, but, at the same time, doing something like buying stocks is more believeable.
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The only thing about Box Office Attractionis the scene where Marlene makes Wally pull over, and then pulls him in a kiss, and Wally is stunned. I think that was overdone. Keep in mind Wally was a straight 18 year old boy. I dont think most boys would push away a pretty girl making the first moves. Its usually the other way around with the boy making the first move, and the girl pushing him off.
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The only thing about Box Office Attractionis the scene where Marlene makes Wally pull over, and then pulls him in a kiss, and Wally is stunned. I think that was overdone. Keep in mind Wally was a straight 18 year old boy. I dont think most boys would push away a pretty girl making the first moves. Its usually the other way around with the boy making the first move, and the girl pushing him off.
Wally in this show was a squeaky clean kid, had he been the one to make the moves on Marlene it probably would have been a shock to the viewers and ruin his reputation. Also, Marlene putting the moves on Wally made sense as she was the experienced older chick who'd been around the block already a few times.
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The Silent Treatment, by far. I can't stand that episode...it was just no good.

I don't like several of the first episodes, but I don't like that early one with Beaver and Violet.
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Wally in this show was a squeaky clean kid, had he been the one to make the moves on Marlene it probably would have been a shock to the viewers and ruin his reputation. Also, Marlene putting the moves on Wally made sense as she was the experienced older chick who'd been around the block already a few times.


Thats true, but most boys (even back in the early 60's) wouldnt' have objected to a girl making the first move.


I guess for the TV show, Wally had to be innocent.
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