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Old 06-17-2014, 12:08 PM   #61
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This hasn't been talked about before, but it's important to note that this is a POLAROID, which I believe were relatively new to the market at the time. The big thing about Polaroids were that they dispensed the picture within a matter of seconds. Whereas with all the other cameras available at the time, you had to take them somewhere to get them developed. An abductor would want to use a Polaroid and not another camera because he obviously wouldn't want whoever developed it to see the picture.

And you couple that with the van, the bruising, the fear. Not a hoax, IMO.
Polaroid cameras were not new to the market in 1989 when that photo was found. As a little kid during that decade, I remember many homes having them. Pictures were always being taken with polaroids at birthday parties, Halloween parties and such. Mostly during the mid-80's from my memory, they were everywhere. As the 80's came to a close, they weren't used as much but still available if needed. The fad had really died out for the most part by then.

Everything else I agree with you, though. Polaroid cameras for that time period could be convenient for getting naughty and disgusting pictures processed while that kind of material would not be allowed to be developed at the store with a regular camera. I could see an abductor using one.
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This hasn't been talked about before, but it's important to note that this is a POLAROID, which I believe were relatively new to the market at the time. The big thing about Polaroids were that they dispensed the picture within a matter of seconds. Whereas with all the other cameras available at the time, you had to take them somewhere to get them developed.
Polaroid cameras and film have actually been around for a long time. Offhand, one of the more famous photos of the JFK assassination was taken with a Polaroid camera, and that was in 1963. I had no idea when the technology was invented so I Googled it. "Instant" cameras and film date back to the 1940s at the earliest...

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An abductor would want to use a Polaroid and not another camera because he obviously wouldn't want whoever developed it to see the picture.
The same logic applies to a child pornographer or a parent/guardian inflicting abuse upon their own children and taking pictures for self gratification, resale, or whatever other sick reason.
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Since Tara Calico/the girl gets 90% of the attention on this case, let's talk about Michael Henley/the boy:

I read a post on here that says Henley was accidentally shot to death on the turkey hunt. I have no idea if that's true. What I am curious about, if Justin's statement that he read Henley died of exposure is true, then how did they determine that from just bones? I just find it odd that 400 people went looking for him, nobody found him initially, and he is found 6-7 miles from where he was last seen. I think his death is strange and I'm not comfortable with it being swept under the rug.

Posters on another forum came up with these possibilities.

Scott Kleeschulte: I don't see any resemblance here.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...lte_scott.html

Patrick Shawn Betz: With Borer, this seems to be one of the stronger possibilities, though the eyebrows look different. Age is about right though.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/betz_patrick.html
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I think it's futile to try and match the kids in the photo with "missing" children, when in fact the kids very well could have been abused by their parents and/or guardians, and that in fact they were never "missing".
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Since Tara Calico/the girl gets 90% of the attention on this case, let's talk about Michael Henley/the boy:

I read a post on here that says Henley was accidentally shot to death on the turkey hunt. I have no idea if that's true. What I am curious about, if Justin's statement that he read Henley died of exposure is true,
I've done a lot of thinking and I'm about 90 percent sure I read this in an online newspaper article written on one of the anniversarys of Tara Calico's disappearance. The article mentioned the photographs and the original connection to Henley, then when on to say his body was found and his death attributed to exposure. I REALLY want to find this article again, as I want to read it, and I have a disdain for posting claims that can't be backed up by research. Unfortunately, I'm going out of town this afternoon, and won't be back for a week. When I return, I'll try to find it. In the mean time, I encourage anyone who is interested to start looking. It's probably still online.

Frankly, the accidentally shot to death scenario sounds dubious to me. I haven't read the post but maybe someone was speculating or throwing out possibilities. If that were the truth in the matter, I would imagine we would have heard more about it. Just a thought.

This is why this (and other) forums drive me nuts some times. Some posters shape their theories in such a way that they sound like facts, or they make claims without citing where they got the information. I realize the informal nature of these forums, and that it's unrealistic to envision everyone fact checking their posts. However, it seriously hinders any real serious discussion of issues like this when you have to first disentangle the BS from the truth. I don't mean that as a jab at anyone in particular and it's not a huge deal, but it's there.

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then how did they determine that from just bones?
Weren't they able to reach a similar conclusion in regard to Don Kemp's death?

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I just find it odd that 400 people went looking for him, nobody found him initially, and he is found 6-7 miles from where he was last seen.
I wonder how many people were looking for Art Jones? I honestly don't know the details of either search, but this is another example where remains weren't found for a time when they hypothetically should have been found much sooner, especially given the much smaller proximity in the Jones case.

The biggest thing going against Henley is that he disappeared in the woods. Very easy to get lost, especially for a kid, and continue wandering as opposed to staying put and waiting for help.


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Posters on another forum came up with these possibilities.

Scott Kleeschulte: I don't see any resemblance here.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...lte_scott.html

Patrick Shawn Betz: With Borer, this seems to be one of the stronger possibilities, though the eyebrows look different. Age is about right though.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/betz_patrick.html
I still think it's counter-intuitive to look at profiles of missing and abducted children when we have no evidence that is what the photo depicts. Not to mention that these "comparisons" are being done by people without the necessary background and qualifications to do them and make definitive statements. Again, it's the Internet, people are free to do whatever, I just don't think a lot of credence should be given to these comparisons. At least in Henley's case UM cited an "expert" who was pretty confident the boy was Henley. This person was most likely incorrect, but it gives the theory a little more credence, IMO.
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Since Tara Calico/the girl gets 90% of the attention on this case, let's talk about Michael Henley/the boy:

I read a post on here that says Henley was accidentally shot to death on the turkey hunt. I have no idea if that's true. What I am curious about, if Justin's statement that he read Henley died of exposure is true, then how did they determine that from just bones? I just find it odd that 400 people went looking for him, nobody found him initially, and he is found 6-7 miles from where he was last seen. I think his death is strange and I'm not comfortable with it being swept under the rug.
For Michael Henley. I encourage you to look up David Paulides. He wrote a book on people who have disappeared in plain view in national parks across North America, but primarily in the U.S. Most of these missing person cases are still unsolved and are very chilling. Some of his work can be seen (or heard, they're recorded podcasts) on the forbidden site. Henley's case is a perfect example of some of the more notable cases featured in Paulides's book.

Person disappears in plain view in a national park. There is a massive search for the missing person for no more than 10 days. National Park services quit the search. Case gets put in a file. No one sees the file. Paulides has found thousands of cases that fit this scenario and in some cases has been stonewalled by the National Park Services into seeing the files. Some going back to the early 80's. Even under FOIA he's been stonewalled into not getting the missing persons case files and has even had some files redacted.
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I wonder how many people were looking for Art Jones? I honestly don't know the details of either search, but this is another example where remains weren't found for a time when they hypothetically should have been found much sooner, especially given the much smaller proximity in the Jones case.

The biggest thing going against Henley is that he disappeared in the woods. Very easy to get lost, especially for a kid, and continue wandering as opposed to staying put and waiting for help
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Arguably the most famous Great Smoky Mountains disappearance case is that of Dennis Martin, a small boy from Knoxville who disappeared from Spence Field in 1969 and was never seen again. As Henley and Martin were close to the same age and size when they disappeared, I thought what this former park ranger had to say might be pertinent to the Henley discussion:

McCarter, believes that what most likely happened to Dennis is that he got lost, became disoriented and Dennis perished in the wild. But he does not rule out either of the other two theories.

He cites several reasons why the massive search could have missed Dennis or his body.

A 48-inch-tall boy can easily elude detection in rugged mountain terrain, and especially in a rhododendron or laurel thicket. The sound of a roaring creek can prevent a searcher from hearing a child's shouts for help. And in some cases, lost and disoriented children have been known to hide from searchers.

As for an animal attack, McCarter said, "That is possible." Bears normally will not attack humans, but in June 1969, their normal food sources were greatly diminished. And near Spence Field about two weeks before Dennis disappeared, McCarter said, rangers released a "bony, scrawny bear" caught in a wild boar trap baited with corn - something that bears normally do not eat.


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I don't find it unusual that Henley was missed the first time.

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I don't think it's necessarily a totally useless endeavor, but I do feel it's often that regular joes attempt to pound square pegs into round holes when making amateur comparisons. You're absolutely right--the vast majority of people don't have the background and qualifications to make the most informed comparisons possible. But I don't think it's necessarily counterproductive to search through profiles of the missing and abducted, even if it might in fact be "spinning wheels". The people doing such aren't professionals, so it isn't as though professional time and resources are being potentially wasted.

I definitely agree with your first point--there's nothing definitive about the photograph. I get a strong gut feeling that it's not a prank, hoax, or whatever one wants to call it, but I don't at all know what it actually depicts.
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http://www.crimelibrary.com/blog/art...ory/index.html

This article mentions Henley's death via exposure. There was another poster on here, that said this:

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Michael Henley Died Of Exposure And Tried To Cover Himself With Some Leaves And Branches, He Was Not Murdered, And Thus The Case Was Closed.
No idea where that information came from, but I was almost certain the UM update (after Henley's remains were found) stated that the authorities believed he died from exposure.
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No idea where that information came from, but I was almost certain the UM update (after Henley's remains were found) stated that the authorities believed he died from exposure.
UM updated this? Are you sure? I was always under the impression the segment never made it to Lifetime and vanished after its NBC run.
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well, there were some posters on websleuths who kept mentioning names of boys who went missing AFTER the photo was found, in some cases 6 years after. Several people mentioned Jacob Wetterling when he went missing months after the photo was found and looks nothing like the boy. Now I agree that was pointless.

Being that 25 years have past, it's highly unlikely the boy is still being held captive, if he was at all. But if I were in his place, I think I would want everyone doing everything humanly possible.
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UM updated this? Are you sure? I was always under the impression the segment never made it to Lifetime and vanished after its NBC run.
I am 99% positive there was an update to this segment that stated that Michael Henley's remains were found. The reason I'm pretty certain was because when first seeing it, I thought the boy was Michael Henley. And the segment definitely made it to Lifetime, because I remember watching it during my high school years, when it used to air at noon and 1:00 p.m.
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And the segment definitely made it to Lifetime, because I remember watching it during my high school years, when it used to air at noon and 1:00 p.m.


I've been posting on this forum for 14 years now and you have got to be the first ever person to say they saw this segment on Lifetime. Watching the reruns religiously on Lifetime for 15 years, I never once saw the Tara Calico segment. I do remember the night it originally aired on NBC when I was 10 but I was 25 the next time I saw it and that was only because crystaldawn sent it to me.

Several years back, we had discussions here over why Lifetime chose never to air it and many thought it was because of the photo, which Stack warns the viewers about beforehand. Although that theory was shot when someone brought up the fact that Cindy James' dead body was shown in her segment and rerun throughout the decade.
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I've been posting on this forum for 14 years now and you have got to be the first ever person to say they saw this segment on Lifetime. Watching the reruns religiously on Lifetime for 15 years, I never once saw the Tara Calico segment. I do remember the night it originally aired on NBC when I was 10 but I was 25 the next time I saw it and that was only because crystaldawn sent it to me.

Several years back, we had discussions here over why Lifetime chose never to air it and many thought it was because of the photo, which Stack warns the viewers about beforehand. Although that theory was shot when someone brought up the fact that Cindy James' dead body was shown in her segment and rerun throughout the decade.
I seem to remember somebody saying that Lifetime aired this segment once during an overnight 30 minute slot (along with the Keith Reinhard segment) between 1:00 and 2:00 AM, IIRC.

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http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/...d.php?t=263308

My version came from CD's volumes as well, and it appears to be either the original broadcast or a subsequent NBC re-airing. I don't remember seeing this segment on Lifetime either, but I only began watching Lifetime reruns regularly in the fall of 2004, and by that spring, my college schedule had me in class during the afternoon block, so that put an end to that.
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I was too young (2-3 years old at the time) to remember seeing the Tara Calico segment on NBC. I do remember seeing it on Lifetime, but I don't remember what year it was (2002-2004ish). The reason I'm certain of seeing it on Lifetime was because I remember there was an update at the end (not a text update either) that mentioned Henley's remains being found shortly after the segment originally aired. I know I'm not misremembering either, because when the segments were on the forbidden site (before I even joined this forum), I had seen the segment and knew that Michael Henley's remains had already been found.
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I was too young (2-3 years old at the time) to remember seeing the Tara Calico segment on NBC. I do remember seeing it on Lifetime, but I don't remember what year it was (2002-2004ish). The reason I'm certain of seeing it on Lifetime was because I remember there was an update at the end (not a text update either) that mentioned Henley's remains being found shortly after the segment originally aired. I know I'm not misremembering either, because when the segments were on the forbidden site (before I even joined this forum), I had seen the segment and knew that Michael Henley's remains had already been found.
Didn't the update just show the Polaroid and have Robert Stack talking in the background? I vaguely remember an update on Lifetime. I remember they had done quite a few updates like that on Lifetime where they ended the segment in still frame and had Robert's voice dubbed over the image.
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