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Old 12-17-2014, 12:56 PM   #121
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Who committed more rapes, ONS/EAR or Bill Cosby?
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One thing I've always thought was weird is that, based on the composites anyways, ONS/EAR seemed to be a reasonably young, fairly handsome guy and I just have to wonder why he would resort to this level.
Because rape is about power, not just sex. IIRC, EAR/ONS couldn't even "finish" during most of these assaults. Somehow, this person's sexual gratification became tied up with total control over someone and probably also causing pain and fear in women. The standard BDSM scenario doesn't do it for this person because there's not any REAL fear or power differential between the 2 people. It's all consesual.

You mentioned Bill Cosby above. Given that these accusations are true (I personally believe they probably are), it falls under the same weird/sick logic. He is a rich, powerful celebrity who could probably have as many consensual partners as he wanted, but he didn't just want sex. He drugged them so they he could have absolute power over their bodies. Psycho.
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Old 12-17-2014, 02:26 PM   #123
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I mentioned several pages back that EAR's small penis could be relevant. I think he could have been taunted by sexual partners or by men (like in a locker room situation, for example) and this could have led to some of his rage and desire to "get even," control, and terrorize.

As for why EAR became the ONS, I think it's possible that:

1) He decided to leave the area so that police wouldn't connect any attacks he committed down south up to his stomping grounds in the north. Because of how much he terrorized Northern California, it likely became more difficult for him to break into homes and he realized that there were likely more households obtaining guns (such as the woman who shot at him).

2) I think he experienced a breakup or divorce in his personal life. Something drove him to develop absolute rage, particularly against married couples. Perhaps he was jealous things didn't work out for him. Perhaps he decided terror without ending lives wasn't enough for him. All of the murder victims were either married or in a serious relationship with their partner present at the scene, except for Janelle Cruz, the final victim (but she did have a male friend over at her house just before the murder). Manuela Whithun, who was married, just happened to be home alone that night because her husband was in the hospital. When EAR became the ONS, he seemed determined to snuff out couples.
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Old 12-18-2014, 12:24 AM   #124
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ONS/EAR having a small penis was the one thing all of his victims agreed on. It was said he was a master at giving people false perceptions about himself.

Wishful, one of the shows that profiled this case said that he started attacking couples after it was reported he went after just single women. Anytime they would report in the press that he hadn't done something yet, the next attack he would do that very thing.

I also heard that the lady who shot at him caused him to poop his pants? Not sure if that is actually true.

Somebody posted a picture on another message board from that community forum or whatever that was where they were talking about the night stalker. (the one where the guy claimed there was no way he would allow that to happen to his wife, they were the next ones attacked). Anyways, it was theorized ONS/EAR was in the audience, and there was a guy in the audience that looked like one of the composites. I'll see if I can post it.
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Old 12-18-2014, 08:36 AM   #125
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I always thought the attack on Janelle Cruz in 1986 was a weird outlier. All of his other known attacks were in the 70's and early 80's. His next to last attack was on Mr. and Mrs. Sanchez, and it was theorized that Mr. Sanchez managed to do some damage on him before he and his wife perished. I think, most of his prior victims (if not all) were white. Being that Sanchez is a Hispanic name and assuming that ONS was injured during that attack, do you think he developed a hatred for Hispanic persons? I say that because the only other attack after that was Cruz, which is also a Hispanic name, although I believe Janelle was white?

Just a wild theory, but what do y'all think?

Also, here's that pic I was talking about. Look at the guy in the lower right. Not only does he look like some of the composites, but my perception is that he is out of place here. Most of the rest of the audience is females. What few males you do see seem to be with other women who are presumably their wives. He seems to be the odd man out, and you really have to wonder.
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That's eerie, wiseguy - he DOES look like the sketches!
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I apologize as this is probably a stupid thing to debate on, but he will always be the Original Night Stalker to me. I refuse to call him by that other name.

That lady has no right to come up with a new nickname decades after his last crime was committed. All she is doing is confusing people who have long known him by the Original Night Stalker moniker.

There is nothing confusing about the Original Night Stalker name. They gave Richard Ramirez the Night Stalker nickname, then learned ONS had committed somewhat similar attacks earlier, hence the name Original Night Stalker.

"Golden State Killer" is completely bland. It's as if she's implying there's only been one serial killer in all of vast California in its history, and we know that is not true.

I can go halfway and tolerate the "East Area Rapist" nickname, but I refuse to take part in any attempt to rename him Golden State Killer after all these years.
Yeah, I hate to be mean about it, but this lame 'Golden State Killer' name smacks of an attempt by the author to 'own' the case. When they released some TON related audio under the GSK name all it did was confuse me. The main Original Night Stalker message board even added GSK to the url of their site, but in my opinion we shouldn't be dignifying the 'Golden State Killer' name in any way.
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I always thought the attack on Janelle Cruz in 1986 was a weird outlier. All of his other known attacks were in the 70's and early 80's. His next to last attack was on Mr. and Mrs. Sanchez, and it was theorized that Mr. Sanchez managed to do some damage on him before he and his wife perished. I think, most of his prior victims (if not all) were white. Being that Sanchez is a Hispanic name and assuming that ONS was injured during that attack, do you think he developed a hatred for Hispanic persons? I say that because the only other attack after that was Cruz, which is also a Hispanic name, although I believe Janelle was white?
Both Janelle and Sanchez were white (although Sanchez is a little bit darker than the brown haired Cruz). Also, several of his rape victims in Sacramento were Asian - a couple of the works on him mention this but don't say which rape victims, probably to help hide their identities. I don't think race had anything to do with his attacks.
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I also dislike the Golden State Killer moniker. It just doesn't make sense to me.

However, I really like the writer (Michelle from TrueCrimeDiary.com) who came up with it. She is writing a book on him. IIRC, she came up with the name because she didn't think the case was getting enough attention with the confusing EAR\ONS moniker - which is really only known by the online crime-buff community - and she thinks public attention is our best chance to catch the killer.
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Very interesting Wiseguy. He does look out of place. Like you said, it's a group of mostly women and the men who are there appear to be with their partner.

IMO, he looks a lot like this updated sketch on the left:

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Interesting thought about racial targeting, wiseguy. I think Janelle may have been half-Hispanic because her family was in Mexico at the time of the murder (and I thought that I read they were visiting relatives). He does appear to have struck all of the map, but being severely injured by a Hispanic man could have led to anger against that group.

That photo is quite creepy. I agree the man looks out of place. It's not the best quality and angle, but he seems almost bored/vacant. Everyone else seems to be listening intently.
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Isn't that the meeting where they said that guy stood up and trashed the other men for not protecting their wives, and boasted that if he ever got hit he'd shoot the EAR or something, and then he was the next one to get hit?

Way to big a coincidence. He almost had to be there in attendance. That was brazen. Amazing to me with a DNA profile and all they got to go on they haven't been able to zero in on a suspect after all these years. If EAR is that man in the photo, surely they could track someone down sooner or later.
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Isn't that the meeting where they said that guy stood up and trashed the other men for not protecting their wives, and boasted that if he ever got hit he'd shoot the EAR or something, and then he was the next one to get hit?

Way to big a coincidence. He almost had to be there in attendance. That was brazen. Amazing to me with a DNA profile and all they got to go on they haven't been able to zero in on a suspect after all these years. If EAR is that man in the photo, surely they could track someone down sooner or later.
That is the meeting in question. Basically, one of the men said he would be prepared if EAR came to his house. I also think EAR had to have been there and almost certainly followed the couple home from the meeting.

Identifying the man in the photo is probably a long shot after 30+ years, but perhaps someone would say, "Hey that's X looking like he did back in the 70s!" It appears like he's not with other people at the meeting and perhaps no one there knew him at all, but perhaps one of his neighbors of friends from back in the day could identify him. Then it would be up to LE to question him and try to prove if he's the perp.
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Golden State Killer is a dreadful name. Nicknames are not a specialty of this era, as evidenced by all the sporting applications of, "The Play," "The Catch," "The Drive," and so forth. I'm surprised she didn't use, "The Killer."

The odds of that guy in the picture being EAR are next to nothing. Apparently we have one surviving photo of that meeting so naturally there's a desperation to make it more meaningful than it ever was. The idea that we see mostly women in the picture and therefore one of the few guys stands out as unusual is similar to creative prosecutors who are so desperate to lazily solve a case that all of a sudden anything becomes suspicious, even perfectly normal variables like life insurance. Last night I watched a Forensic Files episode of a black guy who lost 5.5 years of his life simply because he happened to ride his bicycle in front of a recent crime scene late at night. A simpleton police officer pulled him over and naturally a creative prosecutor found reason to suspect him and eventually charge him.
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I always thought the attack on Janelle Cruz in 1986 was a weird outlier. All of his other known attacks were in the 70's and early 80's. His next to last attack was on Mr. and Mrs. Sanchez, and it was theorized that Mr. Sanchez managed to do some damage on him before he and his wife perished. I think, most of his prior victims (if not all) were white. Being that Sanchez is a Hispanic name and assuming that ONS was injured during that attack, do you think he developed a hatred for Hispanic persons? I say that because the only other attack after that was Cruz, which is also a Hispanic name, although I believe Janelle was white?

Just a wild theory, but what do y'all think?

Also, here's that pic I was talking about. Look at the guy in the lower right. Not only does he look like some of the composites, but my perception is that he is out of place here. Most of the rest of the audience is females. What few males you do see seem to be with other women who are presumably their wives. He seems to be the odd man out, and you really have to wonder.
Whereabouts was this photo taken?
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