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Old 02-06-2009, 02:16 AM   #181
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Oh yeah, the Sheriff in the Bonderson case was annoying. He passed away in 1997. However it seemed to me that he was just determined to not have that case be labeled a homicide. In fact, he would go off and speculate and consider EVERYTHING, except homicide. I mean, first off, the car was not damaged on the outside except from the arson. The fuel tank which had several gallons of gas in it was full and undamaged despite the massive fire. Plus the keys were not melted. I mean, this was an obvious homicide and Rob Bonderson got away with it because of a sheriff that was either unable or unwilling to investigate.

My guess is, Bonderson and his wife got into an argument and he ended up killing her. He panicked and decided to try to cover it up by making a rather clumsy attempt at making it look like a car accident. I am actually amazed anyone would buy that theory. I think after he got out of the car and doused the car that he took the keys with him initially at least because it is natural to take your keys out of the ignition when you park your car. At some point he realized he still had them and returned to the scene and threw the keys in the car. Also, why Bonderson pretty much hightailed it out of North Dakota not long after his wife's murder. I think when that Sheriff left office is when Bonderson moved out of state. Then when he realized that he was going to finally go down for this he went and killed himself.

Other ones that annoyed me, the prosecutor in the Stuart Heaton case, Don Sheafor. The prosecutor in the Larry Race case, John DeSanto. The assistant state attorney currently assigned to Tommy Ziegler's case, Jeff Ashton. The Chief of Police in the Dawaliby case. He was a total jerk. The prosecutor in the Luis Diaz case. The cop in the Stephen Marfeo segment along with Marfeo himself. Mark Nichols, Jule Caylor, Paul Pollis and his mother. Chad Noe and his whole despicable family. Lisa Penz, Doug Crow, the prosecutor in the Glen Consagra case. The Sheriff in the Norman Ladner case.
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Old 02-06-2009, 03:01 AM   #182
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One thing I don't get about that case - redirect to another thread if need be - how did Bonderson's husband stage the accident and return to his home? Did he walk the whole distance, or was that 2nd car somehow involved?
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Well, it is possible that he drove the car out there and then after setting it on fire walked back to town. It was in October I believe, so it would have been chilly but not ice cold and so a walk certainly would have been tolerable. It could be that the truck seen traveling behind the car was involved, that is entirely possible. Rob would have been risking a lot by involving another person but it seems this person never talked. So if another person was involved in driving him back to town after he set the car on fire, I would guess it was either a very close friend of his or a relative. IT could also be that the truck was not involved and just happened to be driving behind the car. However it would be risky for Rob to set the fire when he knew another car was in the area. It even could be that Kathy left the house in her car and that Rob got in his truck and followed her out into the country and they got into an argument there and killed her. Like I have said, it is just amazing that this was not ruled a homicide from the get go. Rob was pretty sloppy. He left a gas can not far from the car.
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I always thought it was strange how no one from Bonderson's family was interviewed, iirc.
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I always thought it was strange how no one from Bonderson's family was interviewed, iirc.
Yeah, that was weird. I can't immediately recall any other segments like that (although they certainly exist I'm sure). I also think it's weird when no photograph of the victim is shown.
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Old 02-06-2009, 03:04 PM   #186
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Yeah, that was weird. I can't immediately recall any other segments like that (although they certainly exist I'm sure). I also think it's weird when no photograph of the victim is shown.
The most obvious examples I can think of are the Clifford Sherwood story with hardly any mention of George Gumbley (sp?) - the boy who disappeared with Clifford. There was a real interesting and enlightening thread recently where a family member commented that the UM producers did contact George's family and asked a few questions, but didn't take it any further.

There was also the Scott Johnson case where there was hardly any mention of the other boy killed in the burning shack. No interview with a family member nor even a name mentioned.
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Old 02-22-2009, 08:00 PM   #187
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Darlie Routier's husband, Darin. I didn't like him or the smurk he had on his face !
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There was also the Scott Johnson case where there was hardly any mention of the other boy killed in the burning shack. No interview with a family member nor even a name mentioned.
This has bothered me also.

1. It could be as simple as the parents are just too broken up and maybe didn't want any publicity and asked UM to leave the childs name out.

2. This may be another example of UM leaving a vital piece of info just to screen callers.

3. What i think might be the real reason is that the family may be fearful of having their names and the child's name appear for fear of retribution by the murderers. They might have had another child that they want to protect.
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The Scott Johnson case was just incredibly weird all the way around. No apparent motive, totally unprovoked.
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The Scott Johnson case was just incredibly weird all the way around. No apparent motive, totally unprovoked.
There was a drug angle, iirc. It's pretty tenuous, like most drug angle theories presented on UM, but it's there.

I really think these kids were murdered though. I don't see how they could have just sat in there and burned to death when they could have just easily pushed the door open.

I wonder if the perps could have molested them and that's why they were killed.
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I wonder if they were molested as well; thinking about the fire, it may make sense. Little, if any, evidence of a sexual assault would've been left behind, and the entire concept of the boys being killed in a fire very close to home, in a place they often frequented in play, is far easier to accept as accidental than it would have been if the two were discovered in a secluded location they had "no business" being at.
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I wonder if they were molested as well; thinking about the fire, it may make sense. Little, if any, evidence of a sexual assault would've been left behind, and the entire concept of the boys being killed in a fire very close to home, in a place they often frequented in play, is far easier to accept as accidental than it would have been if the two were discovered in a secluded location they had "no business" being at.
Not that this means a whole lot, but one of the witnesses who saw the two men force the kids into the shack claimed that one of the boys looked drugged and was basically carried in. This would lead me to believe the boys had some kind of prior altercation with the perps before the fire was set and the murder staged.

Assuming his statement is true. I believe that particular testimony came from a convict.
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I can't remember the name of the person, but there was a case where three people (2 adults, and a child where one of the adults had a disability on her arm) that were supposedly dropped off at a Walmart parking lot after a disagreement in a car. The guy (ex husband I think) claiming that he had no idea where they disappeared to...I seriously think he knew something. Anyone remember this case? Please help me out here...
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I can't remember the name of the person, but there was a case where three people (2 adults, and a child where one of the adults had a disability on her arm) that were supposedly dropped off at a Walmart parking lot after a disagreement in a car. The guy (ex husband I think) claiming that he had no idea where they disappeared to...I seriously think he knew something. Anyone remember this case? Please help me out here...
That's the Wendy Camp case.
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Bob Bean and his smirk of shame are back! Pat Snead and Danny Wheeler are back on my tv.

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