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Old 09-18-2013, 11:24 AM   #211
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I feel like when an eyewitness describes something that probably--or definitely did not--happen regarding a kidnapping or the like, he or she tends to describe the criminal element as "dirty" or "unkempt". It's like we associate bad morality with literal physical uncleanliness or neatness.
I watched this segment the other day after not having watched it in at least a year. Is it just me, or did the "unkempt" couple in the re-enactment really not look that unkempt? The guy looked somewhat sloppy, but the woman appeared to be dressed very typically (perhaps even stereotypically) for the late 80s and early 90s.

I have older girl cousins who are in their thirties and and early forties now, but were teenagers in the early 90s. They all rocked the baggy sweater and big curly hair with scrunchie that the "unkempt" woman in the re-enactment had. That look was very much in style until about the mid-90s.
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Old 09-25-2013, 08:03 AM   #212
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You gotta go with the facts on this case, the phone call which could have led to hightened security around Anthonette. And then the "Help Me" letter. Those are both attempts of escape. Kidnapping for "keeps" was way more common back then, it was easier to pull off. I believe she more than likely was held captive long enough to come to grips with it and was so far removed from her family the attempts to escape became more impossible in theory. There may have even been a murder some time after all of this somewhere so far removed from New Mexico that they couldn't trace the body back to New Mexico nor Anthonette. Forensic and investigative work wasn't exactly "elite" in the mid to late 80's.
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Old 09-28-2013, 05:16 AM   #213
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You gotta go with the facts on this case, the phone call which could have led to hightened security around Anthonette. And then the "Help Me" letter. Those are both attempts of escape. Kidnapping for "keeps" was way more common back then, it was easier to pull off. I believe she more than likely was held captive long enough to come to grips with it and was so far removed from her family the attempts to escape became more impossible in theory. There may have even been a murder some time after all of this somewhere so far removed from New Mexico that they couldn't trace the body back to New Mexico nor Anthonette. Forensic and investigative work wasn't exactly "elite" in the mid to late 80's.
The belief of the FBI, as well as the medicine women, is that while she may not necessarily be directly responsible for Anthonette's disappearance, her mother knows more then she is letting onto. The FBI hasn't elaborated on this, but they believe Anthonette is now dead and consider the case closed.

As to the phone call, It's possible, but she would of had to of known the Gallup police station number. If she picked up and just dialed 911, the call would have gone into the Albuquerque police department. I think there's a good possibility the call was a fake done to distract the police to where Anthonette might actually be.
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As to the phone call, It's possible, but she would of had to of known the Gallup police station number. If she picked up and just dialed 911, the call would have gone into the Albuquerque police department. I think there's a good possibility the call was a fake done to distract the police to where Anthonette might actually be.
I brought up a similar point earlier in the thread. There's no way, if the girl was indeed Anthonette, would have been able to know the PD phone number. It just seems unlikely that she would have called the actual station number as opposed to 911.
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I know this is a massive stretch and I may get flamed for this--but does anyone think it's possible that Penny Cayedito or someone close to her may have staged the phone call?
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I know this is a massive stretch and I may get flamed for this--but does anyone think it's possible that Penny Cayedito or someone close to her may have staged the phone call?
I don't think you'll get flamed, certainly not from me, as it is a legit question. Really, no one knows who made the phone call, it could have came from anywhere or anyone. It could have Anthonette, it could have been a prank, it could have been her abductor, and it could have been anyone wanting to throw a wrench in the case for whatever reason. I always like to hope for the best, as we all do, but who knows!
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I know this is a massive stretch and I may get flamed for this--but does anyone think it's possible that Penny Cayedito or someone close to her may have staged the phone call?
This crossed has crossed my mind as well but I cannot imagine why except unless, of course, she was involved in her daughters disappearance and wanted to throw the investigation off.

Would a 911 operator be able to quickly (quickly, like you are being held against your will and could be found out any minute) transfer your call to any police station of your choosing?
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IF the caller was indeed Anthonette, couldn't she have asked the operator to connect her with the correct PD?
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I am curious as to whether the phone call heard on UM was ever edited. Did the police operator ask any other questions prior to the girl identifying herself as Anthonette? It always seemed a bit odd to me that the little girl immediately identified herself as Anthonette Cayedito. That is because a police dispatcher will not ask for one's name as the first question, but "What is your emergency?" From what I recall from one of my linguistics courses concerning hoax 911 calls, truthful people will cooperate by answering the question asked, while untruthful people will avoid the question by following their own script.

It would make sense if the girl replied that she needed help, and then the dispatcher asked for her name, or if the girl answered, "My name is Anthonette Cayedito and I need help." But just stating the name seems a bit "off". It would make more sense if the call had been edited for television though.
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IF the caller was indeed Anthonette, couldn't she have asked the operator to connect her with the correct PD?
Anthonette would have been 8 years old when that call was placed. I highly doubt an 8 year old is going to worry about an operator connecting her with the correct PD. Heck, at that age, she might not even have known that every city has a PD.

A very young child who is afraid or in a state of panic is going to cry for help to anyone she thinks will listen and not worry about the logistics.
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*shrug* long before I was 9 (the age Anthonette was when she disappeared) my school and town had lots of children's activities and information sessions with the local PD. Officer Friendly, fingerprinting kids, stranger danger, etc.

I think it depends on the kid and the hometown. (And yes, I'm older than Anthonette, though not by much)

Just a suggestion about how the call could have been her. It was probably a hoax though.
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My thoughts on this one (this will be pretty long & may be a bit scattered/haphazard):

- Phone call to the police where seemingly the missing girl says her name like 5 times then says she's in Albuquerque (Gallup PD seems to be who got the call, a town 2 hrs west of Albuquerque)

- Not sure on the phone call, would need to know more details to make any educated assumptions. She says she's in Albuquerque, but Gallup PD gets the call. Is a 911 dispatcher really gonna relay the call back to the girl's hometown? That tells me that either the call was a hoax or the girl thinks she's in Albuquerque for some reason when she's still in her hometown. The fact that the police don't seem too interested in the call & that seemingly nobody else but the mother say that the voice is Anthonette's leads me to think the call is more than likely a hoax (maybe a mother's intuition is that good, I dunno, but when interviewed she seemed pretty defiant in her belief that the voice was Anthonette's and I haven't heard of anyone else in the family backing that claim)


- 4 years after she went missing, a waitress in Nevada says she waited on a trio of people: a pair of unkempt people and a 14-15 year old girl who looked like Anthonette. Girl knocked silverware off the table & grabbed the waitress' hand after she put the silverware back on the table. What restaurant has a 1 fork per person rule? What waitress would take a utensil that was on the ground & put it back on the table for use? Wouldn't it be customary at even the grimiest of diners to take the dirty utensil away & give them a new, clean one?

- Don't think Anthonette was the girl at the diner. Not sure the diner story is even real. Multiple things about it seem off to me: waitress giving back dirty silverware & kidnappers not only allowing their victim out in public but allowing her to write on a napkin unsupervised? Not buying it as a kidnapping. Almost certainly either made up/misremembered event by the waitress or a case of a child being abused by her parents (outside chance of this being a prank/hoax, but I don't see teenage girls as being too likely to take part in such a prank). Also, is it commonplace for abductors to take their victim to to the optometrist for glasses?


- 5 years after she's missing, one of the sisters (who was 5 at the time of the event) says she saw Anthonette answer the door (reportedly at 3am) and get abducted by a pair of men (to the point where she could see them put her in a brown van). Did the abductors close the door behind them? Did the little sister close the door afterward & just go back to bed? Either way, would a 5 year old really not wake their mom up afterward? Is it normal for neighbors to see people coming & going from the house at that time? Is it normal for the kids to answer the door for the 3am round of visitors? Is the mom really that heavy of a sleeper or is she more passed out than asleep?

- Even if the little sister were afraid of telling her mom (for whatever reason), she would certainly not be good enough at pretending to not know that Anthonette was missing the next morning. Seriously, have you seen kids' acting? It's atrocious & impossible to not see & know that something is up. Yeh, this is bottom tier anecdotal evidence, but the next time you see a 5 year old with no coaching that's good at acting will be the first time it's ever happened (hell, even with coaching, a majority of 5 year olds are still pathetic at such acting)

- Reported abductor says his name is Uncle Joe. Some people say something to the effect of "everyone has an Uncle Joe, so it's probably coincidental that she actually had one." Those people need to shutup. Sorry, no abductor is just gonna knock & hazard a guess at a name that will get them in. Not only is "Uncle Joe" not as common as some of you seem to think it is, the overwhelming majority of the US population would have no uncle named Joe (or Joseph). An abductor would just assume break into the house & have the element of surprise than knock at the door at 3am & hope the resident knows an Uncle Joe. If it was an abduction, then it the perp most certainly knew the family


- Then some junk about a medicine woman. If you put any stock in this, then I've got a bridge to sell you




- The little sister's story is full of gaping holes large enough to drive a brown van through. A pair of 5 & 9 year old girls are the ones that answer the door at 3am? The abductors (or the 5 year old) take the time to lose the door behind them after Anthonette is taken? The 5 year old doesn't tell a soul about this for 5 years? The next morning, the 5 year old just acts like the sister missing is not at all related to what she saw the night before? Is this 5 year old the greatest child actor of all time?

- Not sure what to make of that story, all I know is that it didn't happen the way she says it did. My first inclination is to assume the 5 year old had dreams similar to the story she espoused after her older sister went missing. She probably had similar dreams pretty frequently eventually she just believed that is what happened? That's still pretty flimsy. Maybe she was told to give this story? I dunno, but what I do know is there's zero chance the events of that night happened as portrayed in her story. She was scared to tell her mom what happened? Ok, but at first the mom didn't know Anthonette was missing. She was scared to simply say, oh Uncle Joe (or someone claiming to be Uncle Joe) came by & grabbed her?




- This whole story is just weird. A likely hoaxed phone call & the fishy story of the sister means I have to keep open the idea that the mom is involved somehow. Did a little googling on the mother & indeed, I saw that she reportedly failed a lie detector test, was known to be a bit of a partier/drinker & the neighbors would not have thought it weird for people to be coming & going at that time of night. There were also some reports of her mother being involved in drugs, but those didn't seem to be as validated as the other reports, so not putting much stock into it


All told, I'm pretty positive that the mother knew what happened to her daughter and that she is likely the reason behind Anthonette's disappearance
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Is there any credible assessments of this case that come anywhere close to stating they are positive Penny is the reason this happened? Where or should I say how did an above poster come to the dubious conclusion that the Fbi believes penny is involved?

I am not totally dismissing the possibility, but to indict a deceased mother for the tragic disappearance of her daughter using words like "positive" is very distasteful and somewhat offensive.

With the Ramseys many investigators and others have stated and written books about their suspicions and many believe the Ramseys to be guilty, most notably Dr Cyril wecht. Perhaps experienced investigators can come to such conclusions and provide validity to us opinionated armchairs. In the absence of a creditable basis for such an inflammatory position, I ask only to consider how crushing it would be to lose a child in this tragic way and then be scrutinised and blamed by random posters on a message

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Maybe Judith Himes made the phone call from Omaha. (Sorry, couldn't resist)
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Maybe Judith Himes made the phone call from Omaha. (Sorry, couldn't resist)
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