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To refresh some memories, she was a wife and mother of 3 sons who was found guilty of murdering one of 3 sons. Her two oldest, Devon and Damon, were stabbed to death in the family's home on June 6th, 1996. Darlie was only convicted of capital murder in Damon's death. She is currently on death row in Texas awaiting death by lethal injection. Her husband, Darin, filed for divorce in July of 2011.

Before I give you my side on why I think she is guilty or not, here is excerpts from the story:

Motive(s) for the murders:

Prosecutors contend that Darlie Routier murdered her sons because of the financial difficulties her family faced. She was a full-time homemaker while her husband, Darin, a small business owner, earned a relatively high annual income. However, most of the money he earned was quickly spent. This was later referred to as "living large" by Darin Routier in an interview with Joe Munoz of KXAS Channel 5 on June 14, 1996. The family, from a lower-to-middle class background, lived in a typical two-story tract-style home in a middle class neighborhood, drove a mid-sized SUV and a used Jaguar, typically inoperable, and owned a used $24,000 boat. Prosecutors argued that Darlie, described as a pampered and materialistic woman, with substantial debt, plummeting credit ratings, and little money in the bank, feared that her middle class lifestyle was about to end and killed two of her children to rid herself of a financial burden. This claim has been disputed by her family and other supporters. By the time of the murders, the money had practically run out, the Jaguar and the boat weren't running, and their income had fallen by $90,000 from the year before. In addition, they allegedly owed up to $10,000 in back taxes and $12,000 in credit card debt, were two months behind on their mortgage payments, and had just been denied a $5,000 loan by their bank. Darlie's husband, Darin, vigorously denies these claims. The two boys were insured for $5,000 each.

The murders:

Darlie Routier claimed that an intruder killed her children, but police became suspicious when they found inconsistencies between some of Darlie's report and crime scene evidence. Mrs. Routier's children were killed with deep, penetrating knife wounds to their torsos, while the slashes to Routier's neck and arm were more superficial. The two boys weighed about 40 lbs each and were held face down on the floor and stabbed 4 times in the back. Mrs. Routier weighed 128 lbs and was standing and fighting when she was wounded.

Darlie Routier claimed that at one point she ran barefoot through her kitchen to call for help. The floor of the kitchen was covered with broken glass, but Routier had no injuries to her feet. In addition, traces of the screen that the intruder supposedly cut were found on one of the knives in Routier's kitchen that had been placed back in the butcher block. The sink in the kitchen had been cleaned up, but blood was found down the front of the cabinets directly under the sink, so police suspected that she inflicted her wounds over the sink, then washed the blood down. Nonetheless, the first responding officer, David Waddell, noted that Mrs. Routier was bleeding profusely and her shirt was covered in blood when he arrived. Areas of blood around the sink had been wiped away, as revealed by a luminol test. Her claim for defensive wounds was the bruising on her arms. However, at trial, after looking at photos taken June 10, Dr. Alex Santos, the trauma surgeon who operated on Darlie, stated that the bruising looked to be only a day or two old at most, which would mean it occurred in the hospital. When questioned by the defense, however, Dr. Santos extended the timeline and said the bruising might have been inflicted up to four days before the photo was taken, that is, on June 6.

There were other details:

-Officers at the scene, paramedics, nurses, doctors and neighbors were all struck by the fact that Routier never asked how the boys were or inquired whether they were alive.
-First responder Officer David Waddell asked Routier repeatedly to apply pressure to her son Damon's back and to tend to him, but received no response from her. However, she continued to apply pressure to her own neck wounds.
-After the operator told Darlie not to touch anything, Routier told the 911 operator that she had already picked up the murder weapon (thus removing any prints), which made police suspicious.
-Darlie told police that she believed the killer escaped through the garage. Investigators found a slit window screen in the garage, presumably the intruder's point of exit. However, upon closer inspection they found that the sliced screen showed no signs of being forced in or out (to allow to a body to pass through its slit netting). The screen was also easily removable; an intruder could've easily knocked the screen off its setting without having to cut his way out. Additionally, the ground beneath the window contained a wet mulch that was found undisturbed, making it impossible for someone to have exited through the window without leaving noticeable footprints.
-The killer's "trail of blood" led into the garage and stopped cold at the window that Darlie told police the killer escaped through. The blood trail did not extend beyond the interior of the house; not a single drop of blood was found anywhere on the property's exterior. All of the blood found at the crime scene was contained inside the house.
-Darlie's claim that the killer dropped the knife as she chased him through the kitchen was seen by investigators as wildly inconsistent. They questioned why an intruder would drop the murder weapon in plain sight, thus giving Darlie, the pursuer, a weapon with which to fight back.
-Darlie's purse and several pieces of her jewelry were found on the kitchen counter, untouched. This cast suspicion on the idea that the family was the victim of a home invasion.
-The surgeon who attended her referred to her wounds as "superficial". They were described by prosecutors as "hesitation wounds". While the boys were savagely and forcefully attacked, the "hesitation wounds" found on Darlie were slowly and deliberately inflicted.
-Spots of blood found on her clothing demonstrated she had, at the very least, been very close to her sons while they were stabbed. The blood from both sons was deposited in a projected bloodstain pattern on the back and shoulder of her nightdress, indicating blood cast off from the weapon.
-Blood found under a vacuum cleaner and blood spots on the cleaner itself, indicating that the vacuum cleaner had been placed there after the crime was committed.
-Routier told her ex-maid that she wasn't worried about the cost of the funeral as she could claim $10,000 in funeral insurance.
-Routier was considering suicide two months before killing her sons.
-The very evening before the murder, Routier squabbled with her husband and asked him for a separation, as he admitted. The couple's relationship was in trouble, with public fights and rumors of mutual cheating by both partners.
-In the 911 call, she stated she was 'fighting' the intruder; however, at trial this was heavily disputed by the defense team, who said she stated she was "frightened". Prosecutors stated this was said to explain the lack of blood on the sofa and surrounding areas where she was supposedly stabbed.
-Another steadfast argument by the police was that the slash on Darlie's throat was at a downward 45-degree angle, consistent with having made the slash herself.

Routier described the alleged attacker as a man of medium height, dressed entirely in black with a T-shirt and baseball cap. However, she later claimed to suffer from traumatic amnesia due to the event, and her account was of little use.

Darlie's prison sentence:

Routier was ultimately convicted of murdering one of her two sons, and sentenced to death. Prosecutors did not try Routier for the death of the second son, holding his murder in reserve in case of Routier's acquittal on the first murder trial.

As of 2010, Routier is incarcerated in the Mountain View Unit of the Texas Department of Criminal Justice (TDCJ); she has the TDCJ ID 00999220.

Routier's defense attorney, Douglas Mulder, was the district attorney responsible for the wrongful death penalty conviction of Randall Adams in 1977. Adams' case is profiled in the documentary The Thin Blue Line.

Scandal:

Newscasts appeared of Darlie Routier and other family members holding a "birthday party" at the children's grave to celebrate posthumously Devon's 7th birthday, just eight days after the murder. The grave had been under hidden police surveillance to obtain evidence against Darlie Routier, in the event that she were to break down or otherwise make a confession near the graveside. Darlie arrived with a local television crew she had invited, essentially rendering moot any need for police surveillance. At the birthday party, Routier was shown laughing and spraying silly string on her sons' grave. Darlie yelled out to her dead children that she loved them, all the while grinning and chewing bubble gum. Four days later, she was charged with their murder. When the case was tried in court, the jury was shown the so-called "silly string videotape".

Innocence claims:

The Routier family created and maintains a website that proclaims her innocence. The claims are based on mistakes her defense attorneys allege were made during her trial and in the investigation of the murders, especially at the crime scene. Some have argued that Routier should be given a new trial, often alleging that her original trial was based heavily on circumstantial evidence and therefore unfair.

The story of Darlie Routier was covered on a 2004 episode of the CourtTV series The Investigators titled "Mother on Death Row: Darlie Routier". The episode ends with a screen noting that "In May 2003, despite forensics proving that the disputed finger print is not from the Routiers or investigators, Texas upheld Darlie Routier's conviction. The defense is appealing to federal courts.

On September 10, 2008, the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals rejected, without comment, her attorney's motion for a second chance to make their case for more DNA testing.


Discrepancies/inconsistencies in the case:


-Darlie's court transcript contained more than 30,000 errors. Darlie's family believes that this alone should be enough for Darlie to receive a new trial.
-Darlie was still heavily sedated in the hospital recovering from her injuries when police questioned her.
-Darlie's family question as to why Darlie would kill her 2 oldest sons for their life insurance ($5000 a piece), when it takes $13,000 to bury them. They believe that Darlie would've been in a more better financial state cashing in on her husband's life insurance ($800,000) had he been killed instead.
-Darlie's mother claims that police poorly handled evidence collected from the scene, thereby cross-contaminating blood evidence.
-Darlie's supposed confession to a detective was reportedly not tape recorded, video recorded or written down
-Evidence used to secure an arrest warrant against Darlie was flawed
-A blonde hair found on a slashed window screen in the Routier home did not match Darlie, but a Rowlett police officer
-Darlie was on several medications, including antibiotics, antidepressants and painkillers, after being released from the hospital. This may have caused her to "grieve" in an unusual way on the "silly string" tape of Devon's posthumous birthday celebration.
-Darlie's family says that photos of her injuries were not properly presented to the jury during her trial
-A tube sock found in an alley 75 yards from the Routier home contained both boy's blood and possibly skin cells from Darlie. None of the blood on the sock belonged to Darlie. They believe that someone close to Darlie touched the sock and placed it there.
-Medical testimony claims that Damon could not have lived more than 9 minutes after receiving his stab wounds. Darlie was on the phone with a 911 operator 5 minutes and 40 seconds of those 9 minutes. Authorities secured the scene for an additional 2 minutes. They claim that Darlie would have only had a minute and an half to plant the tube sock, stage the crime scene and then slash her own throat. It is disputed by Darlie's supporters that she would have had enough time to do all of that in a short amount of time before police and paramedics arrived.
-It is thought that Darlie was smothered unconscious with the tube sock before she later regained consciousness and realized she and her 2 oldest sons had been attacked.
-A fingerprint on the door leading to the garage and another fingerprint on a credenza behind the couch were never positively identified by investigators, but they did not match Darlie or anyone else in the house.
-Darlie's family believes the attacks were a sexual assault gone awry. A series of violent rapes occured in the area around the time of the Routier attacks. The assailant in those assaults entered victim's homes through unlocked doors or windows, accosted them with knives found in their own kitchens, and wore tube socks over his hands to avoid leaving fingerprints. A suspect was arrested for the assaults and Darlie's family and supporters feel that authorities should consider the man a suspect in the attack on the Routier family.

My opinion:

I think her case was based on circumstantial evidence. Due to the fact that some physical evidence was not directly presented to the jury, it made jurors bias in convicting her. I believe she was made to look like a monster by the conservative court that convicted her. I used to think she looked 100 percent guilty, but after reviewing her case over and over, I think her case deserves another look and that evidence not presented before may exonerate her and possibly point towards another attacker, possibly even her ex-husband Darin, who was the only other person in the house at the time capable of carrying out the attacks, or the rapist that some feel was responsible as I mentioned above.
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There's no doubt in my mind she's right where she belongs. The abscence of ANY other viable suspect (after all of the years that have passed) other than Darlie is very telling. Her defense could not come up with a logical reason as to why a man would break into a house, unarmed, look around the house to find a sock (presumeably to conceal his fingerprints), then go search for a weapon to brutally murder two young boys and attempt to murder their mother. There is no motive for anyone to have killed those young kids other than Darlie. The "intruder" is nothing more than a fantasy. It's awful convenient that this man just so happens to plan to do some unlawful act (be it murder, or sexually assault Darlie) yet he breaks into the house unarmed? Then he goes into their laundry room of all places and uses one of their socks to hide his fingerprints. Only then does he search for a weapon, which just so happens to be their butcher knife.

All of Darlie's bizarre actions after the murders (her lack of emotion, the "silly string incident", etc.), and the circumstantial evidence they used against her can all be thrown out the window, IMO. The bottom line for me has always been this; only one person had the means and the motive to kill the Routier boys, and that was Darlie herself.
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While the inconsistencies will prevent me from ever being 100 % sure, I will agree with all the points presented here and concur that Darlie is exactly where she belongs. Yes, killing her sons just because they each had a $5000 life insurance policy is a pretty weak motive, but I'm never prepared to exonerate someone just because they don't have a good motive. I think society just feels uncomfortable believing that people will commit murder not because they have a motive, but simply because they are pure evil, especially if it involves a mother killing her children.

However, I have always had my suspicions that Darin Routier might have been involved somehow, so this case may not be 100 % closed. I was quite surprised when Darin divorced Darlie a few months ago, as she might be less inclined to stay silent and cover for him if he had anything to do with it. It will be interesting to see if her execution comes close to actually happening, as I could see her suddenly "remembering" something that implicates Darin.
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http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/...ghlight=darlie

I've discussed this case quite a bit on the thread linked above. My first post is #96 on page 7.

1990 Um fan, if you are interested in my opinions, please feel free to scan through my posts there. I tend to believe Darlie is not involved in the murders but I'm quite obviously in the minority.

I pretty much stopped posting on this subject because, like the Dr. Jeff MacDonald case, it's a hot button issue with a lot of arguing and aggressive disagreements. The people voting "innocent" are never going to change the minds of the people voting "guilty" and vice versa.

I just don't want to get involved in all that drama and stress again but thought since we both have similar opinions on the case, you might want to know what I had say about it back when I was reading up on the details.
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To refresh some memories, she was a wife and mother of 3 sons who was found guilty of murdering one of 3 sons. Her two oldest, Devon and Damon, were stabbed to death in the family's home on June 8, 1996. Darlie was only convicted of capital murder in Damon's death. She is currently on death row in Texas awaiting death by lethal injection. Her husband, Darin, filed for divorce in July of 2011.

Before I give you my side on why I think she is guilty or not, here is excerpts from the story:

Motive(s) for the murders:

Prosecutors contend that Darlie Routier murdered her sons because of the financial difficulties her family faced. She was a full-time homemaker while her husband, Darin, a small business owner, earned a relatively high annual income. However, most of the money he earned was quickly spent. This was later referred to as "living large" by Darin Routier in an interview with Joe Munoz of KXAS Channel 5 on June 14, 1996. The family, from a lower-to-middle class background, lived in a typical two-story tract-style home in a middle class neighborhood, drove a mid-sized SUV and a used Jaguar, typically inoperable, and owned a used $24,000 boat. Prosecutors argued that Darlie, described as a pampered and materialistic woman, with substantial debt, plummeting credit ratings, and little money in the bank, feared that her middle class lifestyle was about to end and killed two of her children to rid herself of a financial burden. This claim has been disputed by her family and other supporters. By the time of the murders, the money had practically run out, the Jaguar and the boat weren't running, and their income had fallen by $90,000 from the year before. In addition, they allegedly owed up to $10,000 in back taxes and $12,000 in credit card debt, were two months behind on their mortgage payments, and had just been denied a $5,000 loan by their bank. Darlie's husband, Darin, vigorously denies these claims. The two boys were insured for $5,000 each.

The murders:

Darlie Routier claimed that an intruder killed her children, but police became suspicious when they found inconsistencies between some of Darlie's report and crime scene evidence. Mrs. Routier's children were killed with deep, penetrating knife wounds to their torsos, while the slashes to Routier's neck and arm were more superficial. The two boys weighed about 40 lbs each and were held face down on the floor and stabbed 4 times in the back. Mrs. Routier weighed 128 lbs and was standing and fighting when she was wounded.

Darlie Routier claimed that at one point she ran barefoot through her kitchen to call for help. The floor of the kitchen was covered with broken glass, but Routier had no injuries to her feet. In addition, traces of the screen that the intruder supposedly cut were found on one of the knives in Routier's kitchen that had been placed back in the butcher block. The sink in the kitchen had been cleaned up, but blood was found down the front of the cabinets directly under the sink, so police suspected that she inflicted her wounds over the sink, then washed the blood down. Nonetheless, the first responding officer, David Waddell, noted that Mrs. Routier was bleeding profusely and her shirt was covered in blood when he arrived. Areas of blood around the sink had been wiped away, as revealed by a luminol test. Her claim for defensive wounds was the bruising on her arms. However, at trial, after looking at photos taken June 10, Dr. Alex Santos, the trauma surgeon who operated on Darlie, stated that the bruising looked to be only a day or two old at most, which would mean it occurred in the hospital. When questioned by the defense, however, Dr. Santos extended the timeline and said the bruising might have been inflicted up to four days before the photo was taken, that is, on June 6.

There were other details:

-Officers at the scene, paramedics, nurses, doctors and neighbors were all struck by the fact that Routier never asked how the boys were or inquired whether they were alive.[5]
-First responder Officer David Waddell asked Routier repeatedly to apply pressure to her son Damon's back and to tend to him, but received no response from her. However, she continued to apply pressure to her own neck wounds.
-After the operator told Darlie not to touch anything, Routier told the 9-1-1 operator that she had already picked up the murder weapon (thus removing any prints), which made police suspicious.
-Darlie told police that she believed the killer escaped through the garage. Investigators found a slit window screen in the garage, presumably the intruder's point of exit. However, upon closer inspection they found that the sliced screen showed no signs of being forced in or out (to allow to a body to pass through its slit netting). The screen was also easily removable; an intruder could've easily knocked the screen off its setting without having to cut his way out. Additionally, the ground beneath the window contained a wet mulch that was found undisturbed, making it impossible for someone to have exited through the window without leaving noticeable footprints.
-The killer's "trail of blood" led into the garage and stopped cold at the window that Darlie told police the killer escaped through. The blood trail did not extend beyond the interior of the house; not a single drop of blood was found anywhere on the property's exterior. All of the blood found at the crime scene was contained inside the house.
-Darlie's claim that the killer dropped the knife as she chased him through the kitchen was seen by investigators as wildly inconsistent. They questioned why an intruder would drop the murder weapon in plain sight, thus giving Darlie, the pursuer, a weapon with which to fight back.
-Darlie's purse and several pieces of her jewelry were found on the kitchen counter, untouched. This cast suspicion on the idea that the family was the victim of a home invasion.
-The surgeon who attended her referred to her wounds as "superficial". They were described by prosecutors as "hesitation wounds". While the boys were savagely and forcefully attacked, the "hesitation wounds" found on Darlie were slowly and deliberately inflicted.
-Spots of blood found on her clothing demonstrated she had, at the very least, been very close to her sons while they were stabbed. The blood from both sons was deposited in a projected bloodstain pattern on the back and shoulder of her nightdress, indicating blood cast off from the weapon.
-Blood found under a vacuum cleaner and blood spots on the cleaner itself, indicating that the vacuum cleaner had been placed there after the crime was committed.
-Routier told her ex-maid that she wasn't worried about the cost of the funeral as she could claim $10,000 in funeral insurance.
-Routier was considering suicide two months before killing her sons.
-The very evening before the murder, Routier squabbled with her husband and asked him for a separation, as he admitted. The couple's relationship was in trouble, with public fights and rumors of mutual cheating by both partners.
-In the 911 call, she stated she was 'fighting' the intruder; however, at trial this was heavily disputed by the defense team, who said she stated she was "frightened".Prosecutors stated this was said to explain the lack of blood on the sofa and surrounding areas where she was supposedly stabbed.
-Another steadfast argument by the police was that the slash on Darlie's throat was at a downward 45-degree angle, consistent with having made the slash herself.

Routier described the alleged attacker as a man of medium height, dressed entirely in black with a T-shirt and baseball cap. However, she later claimed to suffer from traumatic amnesia due to the event, and her account was of little use.

Darlie's prison sentence:

Routier was ultimately convicted of murdering one of her two sons, and sentenced to death. Prosecutors did not try Routier for the death of the second son, holding his murder in reserve in case of Routier's acquittal on the first murder trial.

As of 2010, Routier is incarcerated in the Mountain View Unit of the Texas Department of Criminal Justice (TDCJ); she has the TDCJ ID 00999220.

Routier's defense attorney, Douglas Mulder, was the district attorney responsible for the wrongful death penalty conviction of Randall Adams in 1977. Adams' case is profiled in the documentary The Thin Blue Line.

Scandal:

Newscasts appeared of Darlie Routier and other family members holding a "birthday party" at the children's grave to celebrate posthumously Devon's 7th birthday, just eight days after the murder. The grave had been under hidden police surveillance to obtain evidence against Darlie Routier, in the event that she were to break down or otherwise make a confession near the graveside. Darlie arrived with a local television crew she had invited, essentially rendering moot any need for police surveillance. At the birthday party, Routier was shown laughing and spraying silly string on her sons' grave. Darlie yelled out to her dead children that she loved them, all the while grinning and chewing bubble gum. Four days later, she was charged with their murder. When the case was tried in court, the jury was shown the so-called "silly string videotape".

Innocence claims:

The Routier family created and maintains a website that proclaims her innocence. The claims are based on mistakes her defense attorneys allege were made during her trial and in the investigation of the murders, especially at the crime scene. Some have argued that Routier should be given a new trial, often alleging that her original trial was based heavily on circumstantial evidence and therefore unfair.

The story of Darlie Routier was covered on a 2004 episode of the CourtTV series The Investigators titled "Mother on Death Row: Darlie Routier". The episode ends with a screen noting that "In May 2003, despite forensics proving that the disputed finger print is not from the Routiers or investigators, Texas upheld Darlie Routier's conviction. The defense is appealing to federal courts.

On September 10, 2008, the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals rejected, without comment, her attorney's motion for a second chance to make their case for more DNA testing.


Discrepancies/inconsistencies in the case:


-Darlie's court transcript contained more than 30,000 errors. Darlie's family believes that this alone should be enough for Darlie to receive a new trial.
-Darlie was still heavily sedated in the hospital recovering from her injuries when police questioned her.
-Darlie's family question as to why Darlie would kill her 2 oldest sons for their life insurance ($5000 a piece), when it takes $13,000 to bury them. They believe that Darlie would've been in a more better financial state cashing in on her husband's life insurance ($800,000) had he been killed instead.
-Darlie's mother claims that police poorly handled evidence collected from the scene, thereby cross-contaminating blood evidence.
-Darlie's supposed confession to a detective was reportedly not tape recorded, video recorded or written down
-Evidence used to secure an arrest warrant against Darlie was flawed
-A blonde hair found on a slashed window screen in the Routier home did not match Darlie, but a Rowlett police officer
-Darlie was on several medications, including antibiotics, antidepressants and painkillers, after being released from the hospital. This may have caused her to "grieve" in an unusual way on the "silly string" tape of Devon's posthumous birthday celebration.
-Darlie's family says that photos of her injuries were not properly presented to the jury during her trial
-A tube sock found in an alley 75 yards from the Routier home contained both boy's blood and possibly skin cells from Darlie. None of the blood on the sock belonged to Darlie. They believe that someone close to Darlie touched the sock and placed it there.
-Medical testimony claims that Damon could not have lived more than 9 minutes after receiving his stab wounds. Darlie was on the phone with a 911 operator 5 minutes and 40 seconds of those 9 minutes. Authorities secured the scene for an additional 2 minutes. They claim that Darlie would have only had a minute and an half to plant the tube sock, stage the crime scene and then slash her own throat. It is disputed by Darlie's supporters that she would have had enough time to do all of that in a short amount of time before police and paramedics arrived.
-It is thought that Darlie was smothered unconscious with the tube sock before she later regained consciousness and realized she and her 2 oldest sons had been attacked.
-A fingerprint on the door leading to the garage and another fingerprint on a credenza behind the couch were never positively identified by investigators, but they did not match Darlie or anyone else in the house.
-Darlie's family believes the attacks were a sexual assault gone awry. A series of violent rapes occured in the area around the time of the Routier attacks. The assailant in those assaults entered victim's homes through unlocked doors or windows, accosted them with knives found in their own kitchens, and wore tube socks over his hands to avoid leaving fingerprints. A suspect was arrested for the assaults and Darlie's family and supporters feel that authorities should consider the man a suspect in the attack on the Routier family.

My opinion:

I think her case was based on circumstantial evidence. Due to the fact that some physical evidence was not directly presented to the jury, it made jurors bias in convicting her. I believe she was made to look like a monster by the conservative court that convicted her. I used to think she looked 100 percent guilty, but after reviewing her case over and over, I think her case deserves another look and that evidence not presented before may exonerate her and possibly point towards another attacker, possibly even her ex-husband Darin, who was the only other person in the house at the time capable of carrying out the attacks, or the rapist that some feel was responsible as I mentioned above.
Everything I've read on the case says the murders occurred on June 6, 1996 so I'm curious about the above date of June 8, 1996.

There is something odd about this case. I do think Darlie deserves a new trial. The silly string tape was out of context and unfair and with all the errors in the court transcripts and her defensive bruising on her forearms, (which was left out of the first trial), a new trial is in order, IMO. Many folks I admire are convinced of Darlie's innocence after much study.

It would be nice to gain some new evidence in this one since it's been 16 years someone may come forward at some point. Still, the fact that there were no other bloody footprints but hers and a few of her sons, and the remnants of the screen on the bloody knife just sticks with me and does have me lean towards her guilt, but with an open mind.
However I could be swayed to her innocence if more evidence comes to light and if in fact there is not enough evidence to convict her in another trial, obviously i do think the woman should be freed.
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I never said she was innocent, but I never said she was guilty either. I just think as much as people hate her, she wasn't given a fair trial due to jury bias and leaving out key pieces of evidence like the unknown fingerprints. I think her being questioned while still sedated really wasn't cool and they should've waited until she wasn't so groggy to get the full story from her.

I don't normally "advocate" for people behind bars but her case I think deserves another look. There's just so many missing pieces to the puzzle that weren't presented forward. They never did find the weapon used to stab Devon. That right there is a bit peculiar.
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Coincidentally, this is the episode that was queued up next on my DVD. I watched a bit and saw the part where one of the Rowlett cops, Sgt. Poos, is telling us how he knows Darlie is guilty.

He says the blood was all contained in one area and somehow or other, that proves Darlie was the only killer at the scene. He says the Rowlett cops are well trained investigators who know how to handle and process blood evidence. Oh, and he wants us to know they didn't just fall off the hay wagon.

So while he's telling us that there is a "lack of a blood trail" and that's "problematic", the camera is filming scenes of a large blood trail spread out all over a huge area of the house. There are drops, pools, smears, splatters. It's in the kitchen, the family room, on the floors, on the walls, heading out down the hallway, and toward the garage or something. It's even in an alley a few houses down, on a bloody sock.

And one of Rowlett's "well trained" crime scene investigators left her own long bleached blonde hair stuck to the sliced window screen. They tried to use it as evidence to prove Darlie staged an intruder scenario. Until the DNA came back.

With the cops leaving their own evidence all over the place, and bemoaning the lack of a blood trail leading away from the crime scene while the camera is showing us the exact blood trail the cops say they can't find.... And your best investigator neglects to audio or video record his interrogation of the main suspect, and the entire police department forgets that they need a judge to sign a warrant before they can place listening devices on Devon and Damon's graves.... Well it just doesn't look so good to go on TV and brag about how professional you are.
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http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/...ghlight=darlie

I've discussed this case quite a bit on the thread linked above. My first post is #96 on page 7.

1990 Um fan, if you are interested in my opinions, please feel free to scan through my posts there. I tend to believe Darlie is not involved in the murders but I'm quite obviously in the minority.
I read your whole post on the other thread. Seems like they should've looked more at Darin Routier like Darlie's mom thought they should've.
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I'm undecided on her guilt, however, I do believe she deserves a new trial. The importance placed on the Silly String video always bothered me. People grieve in odd ways. In stressful situations, laughter and crying can go hand in hand, both acting like a pressure release valve on the brain. Not to mention the fact that one of the side effects of narcotic painkillers is euphoria.
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I don't know if she is guilty or innocent first off....

There are different approaches that can be taken here. There are the people that think that she is guilty because she is the only possible suspect and that the evidence does not allow for her to be completely removed from the crime. Those people are probably going to say she deserves to be in prison.

Then there are the people that think that she is innocent and got railroaded by the court/police/etc.

I'm somewhere in between on this one. I lived in arlington texas at the time and this was all over the media obviously there long before there was an UM segment. What I will say is that the prosecution did an excellent job of convicting her in the court of public opinion.

We are all visual people. When it comes down to it we all seek the bottom line. We don't want to sift through hours of evidence and details to make conclusions. We want to watch video's, pictures, or see an expert talk about DNA, etc. That silly string video convicted Darlie. When the news showed that video, everyone in the area blasted her and instantly believed that she was guilty. I thought she was 100% guilty. Then the prosecution showed this tape to the jury. Not that it mattered because I'm sure they all saw it on tv. However, it should have been addressed by the court and they should not have used it against her because it has no say over her innocence or guilt.

I don't know if she was guilty or not, but she didn't get a fair trial and that is the bottom line. For me it is tough because I want to see justice for those boys, but it is heartbreaking to see innocent people lose their lives. Innocent people fry when the courts don't do their job right and murderers walk free when there is not enough evidence to convict. So it is a tough call to make.
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I'm undecided on her guilt, however, I do believe she deserves a new trial. The importance placed on the Silly String video always bothered me. People grieve in odd ways. In stressful situations, laughter and crying can go hand in hand, both acting like a pressure release valve on the brain. Not to mention the fact that one of the side effects of narcotic painkillers is euphoria.
The other thing that people don't understand is that darlie was diagnosed with depression. Sometimes grieving in that manner is absolutely necessary for people, especially for trauma type cases like this one. Many people feel that you should celebrate someone's death because it is the last time they are remembered.

It's one thing to lose your sons, but let's imagine for a moment that she was innocent. Imagine someone breaking into your home and stabbing you and your two children to death. How are you supposed to act? Is there a textbook out there? Or do you find it on google?

So I agree about the tape. That video convicted her...that is my opinion and I remember how it felt to watch it because I watched it on the evening news.
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I used to lean toward innocent but now I'm leaning the other way. However, I agree with you DallasTexan, I'm on the fence even if leaning. She needs a new trial. That videotape really caused the conviction, more than likely, and all those drugs she was on no doubt influenced her behavior. If she was not on anything and behaving that way, then it would be pretty upsetting. There needs to be a new trial where the jury can know about the drug intake and hear her testimony about silly string being her children's favorite toys (even if not true, it's only fair that she can assert her side of the story).

And didn't the transcript have 30,000 errors+? That alone says she needs a new trial.
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I lean towards guilty after hearing all the evidence, but I'm still on the fence. I'm not 100% convinced.
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Maybe it's just me, but I don't see how there's any single shred of evidence that would suggest either Darlie is innocent or the crime was carried out by someone other than Darlie. The "Silly String Incident" is overplayed by the Darlie-supporters, IMO. She was convicted on several other factors, not the silly string tape alone. Don't you think that if Darlie truely was innocent, there would have been SOMETHING found at the scene to indicate someone else was there? This is almost nearly identical to the Jeffrey MacDonald case. He's maintained his innocence for 40+ years and there has YET to be ANYTHING that's came to light in all of those years that could prove his innocence. Same with Darlie.
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Maybe it's just me, but I don't see how there's any single shred of evidence that would suggest either Darlie is innocent or the crime was carried out by someone other than Darlie.
I think that's overstating the case. There clearly are some aspects of the case that don't feel 100% right, however, that said, it doesn't mean she's innocent or necessarily even deserves a new trial. Errors are commonplace in criminal trials - but error alone isn't cause for reversal if they are essentially "harmless" and partisans on both sides often so cloud issues that it can be hard to get at actual reality without personal research in the original sources, which isn't, of course, always possible.
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