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Old 09-24-2007, 11:43 PM   #16
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Overall odds of Tim being innocent: 1 in ten quadrillion.

LOL. Oh, I miss Awsi....
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LOL. Oh, I miss Awsi....
funny you should say that, I was going to type "lifetime supply of whoppers, no cheese" if Tim McClure turns up innocent.

congrats on passing the bar.

p.s. trivia question for all: Awsi made that wager when discussing which segment?

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I believe it was if Adam Emery was ever found alive. After watching this case on Volume 11, I was actually reading a bunch of old threads and remembered that comment
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I believe it was if Adam Emery was ever found alive. After watching this case on Volume 11, I was actually reading a bunch of old threads and remembered that comment
that would be correct.

follow-up question: what phrase that's a symonymn for 'dead meat' did he frequently use to describe Adam Emery?

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Another WTF moment... how did the gun used to kill the pizzaman, Morris Davis, get stolen out of that guys house and returned? The owner says he doesn't know how it could of happened but he knew that the gun was later stolen straight away.... something doesn't add up here.

Probably another moment is how the hell did Donnie Hansen get found not guilty?

Why the f@#k did Dan Marino get bail? His subsequent disappearance was predictable as the sunrise
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Probably another moment is how the hell did Donnie Hansen get found not guilty? (
I read somewhere that a few of the jurors ended up regretting voting not guilty.
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going back to Tim McClure...

10. Anyone find it strange that Tim and his wife said they were gambling/dancing all night as opposed to doing, you know, what couples usually do on their wedding night? Sounds like a plan to hope somebody goofs and claims they saw them that night, interestingly no one did.

11. They are unable to remember what dance halls they went to that night. Wouldn't they remember? Isn't this a special occasion?

12. Tim claims that he's shocked that his mother had a life insurance policy. Don't most people that age have one?

13. what are the odds that no one would have seen Terri murdered in the parking lot? and why was she in the passenger side seat as show in the segment? These things indicate to me she was murdered somewhere else and her car and body drove there. If somebody else did these things, they oddly enough drove it to a spot where Tim would wind up checking.

bump it up to one in one quintillion.
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So he was later convicted of it? i thought he was guilty too. I remember his obvious amazement that he was a suspect and his crazy ass mullet. Hehe.
Did they find a body?
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Congrats on passing the bar!!!!!

Sorry totally unrelated to the thread.....
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tell me about it

There are some people on UM that, I'm not sure if they're innocent or not, but they at least have believable stories and rationale explanations to what happened (think Jeffrey MacDonald, Stuart Heaton, Glen Consagra, Larry Race, etc.)

McClure's response to everything that makes him look guilty: "I'm not sure how that could have happened."

I'm going to do a little bit of odds calculating, these are my estimates:

1. Tim says that he waited until last to check the casino where his mother was found dead because he had a "bad hunch" about it. But if you knew she was going to turn up there, why waste all that time checking other places? Odds of Tim's hunch being correct without having advanced knowledge: 1 in 100.

2. Tim looks for Mrs. McClure's purse without knowing that it was stolen, and not only that, but miraculously finds it. Odds of Tim not having any advanced knowledge of this: 1 in 10,000

3. Tim takes out a life insurance policy shortly before Mrs. McClure turns up dead. The main three motives for murder cases are drugs, money and sex. Nothing was missing from Mrs. McClures purse, ruling out money, and drugs and sex can pretty much be eliminated, which leaves Tim has the only person with a motive. Odds of someone else having a motive: 1 in 100.

4. Tim claims that the credit card person put the wrong date on the form (Tim claims that he canceled the card after his mother died, but the form says he did it beforehand) According to Tim, the clerk was off by three days. Now I work third shift, which means I always work in two different days, so I occasinally put the wrong date: one off either way. But someone missing the correct date by 3 whole days is albiet rare. Odds of the clerk being wrong: 1 in 100.

5. Tim's alibi states he was gambling alone. But who gambles alone after getting married? It's like saying, Ok I married you, I want to be alone now. Furthermore, no one can remember seeing him in the casino despite that he is like 6 foot 6, has long hair and is wearing a tux. Odds of believabability of Tim's alibi: 1 in 100.

6. Tim and his fiancee both fail the lie detector test. Odds of them both failing it but telling the truth: 1 in 100.

7. At the start of the program, Stack says this is a rare instance where someone tries to clear their name (Tim). Not once does Tim ever talk about finding the "real killer" or for that matter, seem angry/sad that it happened. His only interest is clearing his name. Odds of someone not being STEAMED about their mother's death: 1 in 100.

Overall odds of Tim being innocent: 1 in ten quadrillion.

but I'm open for discussion about this one.
agree with all you said, especially #5. My fiance always laughs at this eppie because he always says whenever he watches it: "Who gambles on their wedding night???? You just got married for Pete's sake!!!" Of course, I always know where his mind is when he says that, but that's another story!

Anyway, I feel that he's guilty too...either that or he has extremely BAD LUCK.

Also, biggest "what the.." moments for me:

1. The two people who at the beginning of the Dennis Depue seggie. I'm sorry but there ain't no way in hell if I saw a man with a bloody sheet at an abandoned church, would I go to that same place to snoop around. Don't get me wrong...I'd call the cops but going to investigate???? No way!!! I don't even think I would have followed the guy to get a license plate #. I'm sorry but I'm just scarey like that!!

2. The Gary Grant eppie. When Boo Mason's grandmother was brought in to sign Boo's "confession", she just signed it without even reading it. Hopefully Boo's grandmother didn't actually do this and I doubt she did. The actress could have at least pretended she read over it before just signing it.

3. The Don Smith episode. This whole case was just weird. The fact the guy allowed himself to be seen so openly with Don by some many diff. people plus the fact that he waited so long to kill Don seems odd.

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So he was later convicted of it? i thought he was guilty too. I remember his obvious amazement that he was a suspect and his crazy ass mullet. Hehe.
Did they find a body?
I think he was arrested, but released. They realized the case against him was circumstancial (or circlestancial, according to Jerry Strickland, ), although I feel the circumstancial evidence is pretty overwhelming. The body was found 3 days after she disappeared.
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1. The two people who at the beginning of the Dennis Depue seggie. I'm sorry but there ain't no way in hell if I saw a man with a bloody sheet at an abandoned church, would I go to that same place to snoop around. Don't get me wrong...I'd call the cops but going to investigate???? No way!!! I don't even think I would have followed the guy to get a license plate #. I'm sorry but I'm just scarey like that!!
Agreed. And this was back in the day when cell phones/car phones were only common among the rich. I think somebody might have mentioned it before, but I think some of these older cases might not happen today with the abundance of cell phones.
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That's the ONE segment I actually sat my wife down and forced her to watch. I think I prefaced it with, "Get ready to see the most oblivious human being on the planet...this guy just doesn't know how to keep his foot out of his mouth". I was kinda hoping that Tim really was innocent though...I looked forward to his guest appearances on that new Geico Caveman sit-com.
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That's the ONE segment I actually sat my wife down and forced her to watch. I think I prefaced it with, "Get ready to see the most oblivious human being on the planet...this guy just doesn't know how to keep his foot out of his mouth". I was kinda hoping that Tim really was innocent though...I looked forward to his guest appearances on that new Geico Caveman sit-com.
Who could forget Tim saying that he was being "guided by the holy spirit when he was looking through the parking lots." I love the recreation. One of my favorite segments by far.
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As I recall... Awsi used to say that Adam Emery was "fish food."

Thanks to everyone for your support!
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