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Old 03-24-2014, 07:42 AM   #91
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Johnson also had a gun held on both Jeremy and Heather.
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no the reason why tom said the company would get a certified check is because of insurance. after tom killed that guy and stole his computer the victims company would inform their insurance company about the huge theft! they would get money back from the insurance company because of the theft. as long as a company has protection insurance on its goods they will use it if necessary.

but yeah when "tom" said a certified check it did throw me off for a second too.

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This was the stolen computer case. I got to thinking about it today. I'm not sure what his plans for the entire incident were, but I think his plans were somewhat ruined whatever they were. I think he would have ended up attacking Heather and her boyfriend anyways, but there a number of things that make me believe Tom Johnson had planned for things to go differently.

When he has Heather and her boyfriend wrap themselves up in the sheets, he says something to the effect of "Your company's going to get a certified check, I'm going to get my computer and that will be that." This kind of leads me to believe that he didn't plan on attacking them originally, as I don't know why he would say they were going to get a check if he planned on killing them. But then again I don't know. Did he just snap, or had he planned to kill/harm them after all?

Why did Tom Johnson stall all that time and then attack them? I believe he was waiting for his female accomplice, who never showed and instead reported a disturbance to the front desk coming from his room. I can't imagine "Tom" had originally planned to stall for that long.

I also wonder what role the female accomplice would have played, assuming the lady that came down to the desk was supposed to be the accomplice. Tom had already loaded the computer into his car, so he didn't need her there. He also ended up attacking his victims without needing his accomplice's help. So I wonder what Tom had originally intended for her to do.

And as if all that wasn't baffling enough, did he originally plan to use the gun, or did he plan to use the hammer.

This case really baffles me, any thoughts?
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everyone was wondering why the heck TOM had a gun and never used it. I think perhaps his gun was never loaded and he pretended it was loaded to scare them. if he has a gun with no bullets the victims do not realize that. they believe its loaded and will obey every command just like they did.

also if there is a loud gun shot people are going to call the cops and he would perhaps be seen by people outside after the gun shot. yes, people could also call the cops when their are screams nearby, but no one did. even in other murder cases across America there were screams of women in NYC and Calfornia that never got reported right away. But gun shots get more calls.

The one thing about Tom Johnson and all those killers is God. People who believe in God and those who do not believe in Him have something in common - their actually might be a judgement day someday and those killers may have to answer to Him.

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do you think the motel person made a timing mistake about the noises in the motel room? the motel clerk or owner said that the woman came to his desk during the time when the couple was out to breakfast. thus she was a potential accomplice. there are some murder cases where the neighbor or family member was off by several minutes on the timing of the case or murder.

it is possible that the clerk, under pressure by the cops, made an error. maybe the lady tried to stop her friend from killing the couple. *** however I highly doubt this because if she was a potential accomplice and suspect why would she show her face to the motel clerk? couldn't she have warned him from a nearby payphone instead? this makes me believe the woman heard screams from the couple in the bedroom, the screams from the murdered lady when she was hit by the hammer!

another thing I never understood about the 'mystery accomplice' is about the screams. if this happened before the murder why would she make up a story about screams? couldn't she have said something more serious like "Tom" has a bomb in the motel room and to call the cops asap or "Tom" has a gun in the motel room and u better call the cops. I think the reason she said she heard screams is because that is what happened with that couple. The lady heard screams because she was not an accomplice and simply a person staying at the motel or checking out or walking by. I doubt she would make a story up about screams, and then ironically minutes later on screams actually happen.

during many bank robberies it is a lone person doing the bad deed. yes, sometimes there are two people or a group robbing banks. but men in groups fear that their friends will turn on them and confess to cops to get lighter sentences. that is why usually a killer or robber works alone because they do not have to worry about someone else. I think Tom worked alone. in these murder-to-steal cases it is usually one person. Just like Bev McGowans killer: UM though Alice had a male accomplice named Sam but years later a new detective show on True TV (Court TV back then) proved this when they said "Sam" was actually Alice. killers who kill to steal objects or money usually work alone.

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do you think the motel person made a timing mistake about the noises in the motel room? the motel clerk or owner said that the woman came to his desk during the time when the couple was out to breakfast. thus she was a potential accomplice. there are some murder cases where the neighbor or family member was off by several minutes on the timing of the case or murder.
Possibly. Either the woman was a legitimate witness who heard the noises and the clerk got the time wrong, or the woman knew what was going to happen and tried to stop "Johnson" before he carried out the attacks. But it is odd if this was his accomplice why she would wait until they were out for breakfast to report the screams. If the clerk went to check on the room and found no one in it, he wouldn't have done anything or prevented anything from happening.
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There is no doubt in my mind that Tom Steeples was "Tom Johnson".

http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=1335,4582636

Steeples murdered a couple 2 years after Heather's murder. He lied to them about being a "talent scout", and coaxed them into going back to his motel room. He bludgeoned the husband to death before raping the wife and then bludgeoning her to death. Steeples also worked at a computer supply store, and was the prime suspect in a business partner's murder. Steeples was arrested, and while waiting in jail for his trial, his wife smuggled in cocaine to him where he overdosed and died before ever even going to trial. So we'll probably never know for sure, but I'm 99.9% sold on the idea that Steeples was "Johnson". That would explain why he never resurfaced (since he killed himself in 1994), and it would also explain how "Johnson" was not just some one-time thrill killer and that he actually did it again 2 years later. Plus, his wife smuggling drugs into the jail to him makes you wonder whether or not she was the lady who reported the screams to the desk clerk.
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There is no doubt in my mind that Tom Steeples was "Tom Johnson".

http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=1335,4582636

Steeples murdered a couple 2 years after Heather's murder. He lied to them about being a "talent scout", and coaxed them into going back to his motel room. He bludgeoned the husband to death before raping the wife and then bludgeoning her to death. Steeples also worked at a computer supply store, and was the prime suspect in a business partner's murder. Steeples was arrested, and while waiting in jail for his trial, his wife smuggled in cocaine to him where he overdosed and died before ever even going to trial. So we'll probably never know for sure, but I'm 99.9% sold on the idea that Steeples was "Johnson". That would explain why he never resurfaced (since he killed himself in 1994), and it would also explain how "Johnson" was not just some one-time thrill killer and that he actually did it again 2 years later. Plus, his wife smuggling drugs into the jail to him makes you wonder whether or not she was the lady who reported the screams to the desk clerk.
Wow, great find! The MO sounds the same and it would definitely explain why he was never found; I never bought the theory that ''Johnson'' was a one time killler anyway. Your theory is way more believable. Surely the hotel clerk described the mystery woman to the police so perhaps they could compare his wife's photos from the 90s to his description. I wonder if a composite was made? Doubtful, as it wasn't shown on UM, but it's possible.

Even though this man is dead and sadly so are both witnesses to the crime, if Steeples is linked to the crime, it could give the families and friends of Heather and Jeremy some peace of mind that the killer is not out there anymore.

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Thats very interesting, is there a picture of Tom Steeples online anywhere, i googled him and can't find his pic.

I wonder if The husband from the Tom Johnson case knows about Steeples, he should be the judge to see whether or not it's the same person, if it is, than the case is solved but he wasn't tried for Heather's murder is the only downside of it.
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Thats very interesting, is there a picture of Tom Steeples online anywhere, i googled him and can't find his pic.

I wonder if The husband from the Tom Johnson case knows about Steeples, he should be the judge to see whether or not it's the same person, if it is, than the case is solved but he wasn't tried for Heather's murder is the only downside of it.
Are you referring to Jeremy, who was also attacked? Unfortunately, he died in a car accident after joining the Peace Corps. I believe that happened around 1997.
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There is no doubt in my mind that Tom Steeples was "Tom Johnson".

http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=1335,4582636

Steeples murdered a couple 2 years after Heather's murder. He lied to them about being a "talent scout", and coaxed them into going back to his motel room. He bludgeoned the husband to death before raping the wife and then bludgeoning her to death. Steeples also worked at a computer supply store, and was the prime suspect in a business partner's murder. Steeples was arrested, and while waiting in jail for his trial, his wife smuggled in cocaine to him where he overdosed and died before ever even going to trial. So we'll probably never know for sure, but I'm 99.9% sold on the idea that Steeples was "Johnson". That would explain why he never resurfaced (since he killed himself in 1994), and it would also explain how "Johnson" was not just some one-time thrill killer and that he actually did it again 2 years later. Plus, his wife smuggling drugs into the jail to him makes you wonder whether or not she was the lady who reported the screams to the desk clerk.
If that wasn't Tom Johnson, it's his twin! In fact, it's eerily similar and just as tragic as what happened to Heather & Jeremy. Further proof of why meeting strangers anywhere but in pure public view isn't advisable. I wouldn't ever wish death on anyone, but in any event, this guy sure sounded like a scumbag and maybe even a sociopath.

That's a good point about the screams and the report. Didn't UM say that it was an "associate" of Tom's and not his wife or girlfriend, though? It could cast it into new light if we knew the woman was his wife. From the sounds of it (i.e. smuggling drugs into him in jail, and staying by his side), she doesn't seem like she would've gotten a pang of consciousness and tried to halt the attack.
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That's a good point about the screams and the report. Didn't UM say that it was an "associate" of Tom's and not his wife or girlfriend, though? It could cast it into new light if we knew the woman was his wife. From the sounds of it (i.e. smuggling drugs into him in jail, and staying by his side), she doesn't seem like she would've gotten a pang of consciousness and tried to halt the attack.
I don't remember if UM said she was an associate, I just thought they said police want to question a possible witness who spoke with the clerk about noises. There may have been a theory presented by one of the officers that she was an accomplice that got cold feet, but I don't remember.
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There is no doubt in my mind that Tom Steeples was "Tom Johnson".

http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=1335,4582636

Steeples murdered a couple 2 years after Heather's murder. He lied to them about being a "talent scout", and coaxed them into going back to his motel room. He bludgeoned the husband to death before raping the wife and then bludgeoning her to death. Steeples also worked at a computer supply store, and was the prime suspect in a business partner's murder. Steeples was arrested, and while waiting in jail for his trial, his wife smuggled in cocaine to him where he overdosed and died before ever even going to trial. So we'll probably never know for sure, but I'm 99.9% sold on the idea that Steeples was "Johnson". That would explain why he never resurfaced (since he killed himself in 1994), and it would also explain how "Johnson" was not just some one-time thrill killer and that he actually did it again 2 years later. Plus, his wife smuggling drugs into the jail to him makes you wonder whether or not she was the lady who reported the screams to the desk clerk.
That's him. That has to be him.

Interesting that he lured Jeremy and Heather to Georgia to commit his crimes instead of staying in Nashville. I wonder what led him to make that decision and then later begin committing murders locally.

For the record, the same Nashville detective team that arrested Tom Steeples investigated and were interviewed on UM about the 1989 Kevin Hughes murder. I read an article from 2006 stating that both mentioned the Tom Steeples case as having effected them most profoundly. Both refused to describe the crime scene because it was so gruesome. Steeples was also arrested for the murder of a Nashville bar owner, whose body he actually set on fire. Sick, sick dude.
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There may have been a theory presented by one of the officers that she was an accomplice that got cold feet, but I don't remember.
That was mentioned, yes.
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Yikes. That does sound like the same Tom Johnson. Amazing and similar circumstances all around.

But what did he get out of this second attack other than the thrill of killing? He got an expensive (for the time) computer when he attacked Jeremy and Heather. But this? I guess the "thrill" of raping a young woman. What a waste of a person. Killers like that are extra scary because it's not quick with them. They want their victims to have a very slow, drawn out, painful death.
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Yikes. That does sound like the same Tom Johnson. Amazing and similar circumstances all around.

But what did he get out of this second attack other than the thrill of killing? He got an expensive (for the time) computer when he attacked Jeremy and Heather. But this? I guess the "thrill" of raping a young woman. What a waste of a person. Killers like that are extra scary because it's not quick with them. They want their victims to have a very slow, drawn out, painful death.
The motive was thought to be that he saw the woman at the bar, was attracted to her instantly, found out she was married and was with her husband, so he devised this plan to get them back to the hotel to kill the husband and rape her. Other articles say that he had a very expensive drug habit, so I could see how stealing the computer would be motive for him to sell it for drug money. He apparently owned his own computer store and was a successful business man, but he was involved in a lot of shady stuff on the side. He was thought to be a sex sadist, drug addict, involved (somewhat) in organized crime. Wouldn't surprise me at all if this was our "Tom Johnson".
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