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Old 07-25-2007, 12:29 AM   #16
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Hey,

The modern psychology link refers to an article published about Kurt in the Chicago Tribune on 1/27/85. I just joined and searched their website but could not find the article after numerous searches. Hmmm. Would be worth tracking that article down but I didn't have any luck on their website... anybody got ready access to a library or want to give it a go on the Chicago Tribune's website? I didn't have much luck with an advanced search...
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Old 07-26-2007, 04:50 AM   #17
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It's like 25 years or so since his death (haven't watched that episode in a long time but I think it was early 80s).
Summer of 1984.
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Old 09-18-2007, 12:38 PM   #18
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There was a link to an article that was posted before, but I just wanted to sum up what it said. It sounds like the area where Kurt was found was known as a bad part of town in San Fran and a lot of suspicious and mysterious deaths were reported there:

"I wish there was a record of all the people who were murdered or disappeared out there in the last 30 years because it will be something like at least 50 or 60."

"One day she let me read the letters that they had been collecting and in one of them it described a satanic killing of a young boy by the name of Kurt McFall. I took this information to a teacher that we both had and she contacted his parents. The cop I was babysitting for was involved in the raid on the lady's trailer which inside was really gross (blood writing on the walls and feces on the floor.) The last I heard, she had given the name of some man in the LA area who was the leader but I dont know if anything ever came of it. In the letter she went into detail about them torturing him and then pushing him over the cliff. I know it had to be true because she had no way of knowing any of the information she knew."
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^ Are we speaking of Korodic here? hmmm
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Old 09-18-2007, 06:37 PM   #20
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Here's something I haven't mentioned before: According to Korrodic, McFall went out for a run, yet when his body was found, it was suggested that he was either swimming or rock climbing. Plus, his car was found at the top of the cliff. This would lead me to believe he wasn't running, and it doesn't tie into Korrodic's story.
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Old 11-04-2008, 01:54 AM   #21
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How about the "These organizations don't make threats, they make actions"? Has anyone from such a group been charged or convicted of any serious crime?
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I just watched this segement recently. According to unsolved mysteries Kurt had no traces of alcohol or durgs in his system when they did a autopsy.

Strangely, bottles of alcohol were found near his car. Now it is possible this was a popular teen or young adult hideout and they were left there. If someone was to have saved those bottles as evidence, which I highly doubt, I wonder if it would be possible to look for a print of one of the cult members. They then could place them in the area at the time of kurt's death.

One other detail was that his suit of armour was not inside his trunk of the car, but money was left in the glove compartment meaning a random robbery is unlikely.

I believe it is most likely Kurt had some sort of accident while at the beach late but he was not intoxicated...but the other evidence left at, or around the scene should have gotten a better investigation than it seemed too.
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Old 04-28-2009, 08:29 AM   #23
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I just watched this segement recently. According to unsolved mysteries Kurt had no traces of alcohol or durgs in his system when they did a autopsy.

Strangely, bottles of alcohol were found near his car. Now it is possible this was a popular teen or young adult hideout and they were left there. If someone was to have saved those bottles as evidence, which I highly doubt, I wonder if it would be possible to look for a print of one of the cult members. They then could place them in the area at the time of kurt's death.

One other detail was that his suit of armour was not inside his trunk of the car, but money was left in the glove compartment meaning a random robbery is unlikely.

I believe it is most likely Kurt had some sort of accident while at the beach late but he was not intoxicated...but the other evidence left at, or around the scene should have gotten a better investigation than it seemed too.
I've thought about this case a lot over the years. I now believe that Kurt's death was an accident. When I re-watched the segment a few years ago, I noted that the re-enactment of the discovery of Kurt's car showed the driver's door hanging wide open. I think it's possible that a wino or maybe some teens found Kurt's unlocked car and took advantage of the situation. It was dark, so they could have missed the $20 in the glove compartment. The suit of armor was in a suitcase (or so I thought). A thief could have grabbed it thinking it was something far more valuable.

I remember wondering if Corrodic's cult was the "Satanic" organization Kurt's father and friend were referring to. I always thought the group seemed pretty benign, actually.

For what it's worth, I saw this story on the Spike network recently, and there was no update.
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Old 04-28-2009, 04:40 PM   #24
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I remember wondering if Corrodic's cult was the "Satanic" organization Kurt's father and friend were referring to. I always thought the group seemed pretty benign, actually.
Oh yeah. The Kurt McFall segment is a prime example of "satanic panic." Carrhotic and his group might be pagans or wiccans, but they certainly didn't seem to be bloodthirsty, vengeful "devil worshippers."

If you're a member of a shady, pseudo-religious killing cult, why would you allow UM to film your ceremonies and the faces of all those in attendance? At least the alleged Son of Sam "organization" was supposedly meeting under the cover of darkness in some random corner of Untermeyer Park. Why would Carrhotic agree to an interview, and, indeed, why would he murder Kurt when he knew all suspicion would immediately fall on him afterward? I think he put it best himself: the whole thing is stupid.

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I also think that Carrhotic wasn't hiding anything. He seemed very straight forward and didn't act like he was hiding anything.
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Oh yeah. The Kurt McFall segment is a prime example of "satanic panic." Carrhotic and his group might be pagans or wiccans, but they certainly didn't seem to be bloodthirsty, vengeful "devil worshippers."
Totally agree. I don't think Carrhotic and his "cult" would hurt a fly.
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Old 01-04-2010, 01:10 PM   #27
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i just saw this case once again...although it could be an accident certain details about the case seem odd

No alcohol/drugs found on his system

and i just think that if he were to fall from a cliff that high, he would have more injuries (broken skull, back, legs ect)

also, whats with the belt buckle being missing?

i think he was murdered but i don't see enough evidence to say that the cult he was in was responsible

I feel terrible for the father!
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I just watched this segment. It was mentioned in this thread that Kurt was going for a run but in the segment he was found without shoes. Could the waterwaves be that strong to loose the shoes if it was indeed an accident?
Otherwise it is strange to go running without any shoes on íf no one else was involved and íf indeed it went like Carillo said. And if he did go for a run and left his shoes on the beach, why haven't they been found or are they found?

About 'the cult'. Is it possible Kurt was involved with another group beside the group of that Carillo guy? Pagans and witchcraft is another caliber than satanism. But maybe they didn't have figured that out in the 80's.
And in the segment and in this article it was stated what Kurt's father found in his son's room. Do these items belong with pagans, witchcraft or ...?

Unlike other posters I do trust Carillo as far as I can see him, so to speak.
I don't think he was a satanist or anything like that but when he talks the pupils of his eyes go left and right a lot of the time. As if he is nervous or does not stand fully behind what he is saying.

It certain is a mystery case but that goes for a lot of unsolved mystery cases. I guess that is the part that intrigue us all to discuss them.
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(link) it was stated what Kurt's father found in his son's room. Do these items belong with pagans, witchcraft or ...?

Unlike other posters I do trust Carillo as far as I can see him, so to speak.
I don't think he was a satanist or anything like that but when he talks the pupils of his eyes go left and right a lot of the time. As if he is nervous or does not stand fully behind what he is saying.
I've never seen that news article about what his dad found in his room. It reads like so much of the Satan Panic stuff from the 1980s that looking back on it now it doesn't really help shed light on this case.

I'm a pagan myself and feathers rocks and a knife are about the most normal run of the mill stuff a ceremonial pagan would have. As for Carillo being nervous I think that's a normal reaction considering many were trying to paint him as a murdering demon worshiper.

It's a shame that this case spent so much time trying to paint some evil Satanic conspiracy about Kurt's death when it's far more likely it was just a random accident. I don't think his religion had anything to do with his tragically untimely end.
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A few months ago, I had an interest in the case and did some online research. Here is the thread I started (I hope this link works)...

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/...ghlight=McFall

Not to rehash everything I said there but I did find a site that talked a little bit about Caradoc and his group. The most interesting tidbits were a mention of his passing of January 1, 2007. Also, an allegation that his ethics were questionable as he was known to have sexual relations with students. An allegation I found interesting since it was suggested in the segment that Kurt may have discovered something "unsettling" about the group.

All that being said, I would say I'm still feeling about 90/10 that Kurt's death was an accident unrelated to either Caradoc's Pagan group or the SCA.
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