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Old 12-31-2009, 12:31 PM   #46
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There was a criminal profiler that was famous and worked with the FBI, I forgot his name, but he said the Ramsey's were innocent.
I forget where the link is, but I believe that the FBI official position on the case was that the intruder was too familiar and comfortable with the house. That it was very rare and extreme you'd have an intruder like this.

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I think its someone who worked for them and been in that house or a family member or friend.
1. The housekeeper was one of the first people that was looked at. she's been cleared via several reasons.
2. There was a supposed "disgruntled" employee of the Jon;s company that was looked at for a while. Apparently this suspect led nowhere.


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"Don't try to grow a brain John."

Sounds like Dennis Hopper's character talking to Keanu Reeves' character in "Speed".

Didn't Hopper say that exactly? Hmmm
The usage of lines from movies I feel is a non-issue in this case. Several people have watched those movies, including the Ramseys.

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As to what you mentioned earlier about the missing phone records (how convenient) I'm VERY inclined to believe Jon called up one of his lawyer buddies that same day of Jon-Benet's death, explained everything that happened, and asked about the best way out of it. The attorney could never talk of course, due to privilege. That attorney guided them through and through....kept the Ramsey's one step ahead of the game...especially the genius idea of having the friends over before discovery of the corpse
My thoughts exactly! He probably talked to the lawyer and the lawyer sort of spoke to in legalese about what he could do, without implicating himself. I wouldn't be surprised if the DNA is from someone that the lawyer sent over to help out and do the garrotte on Jon Benet.
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No, the Former FBI profiler or detective was retired his name is Lou something. He wrote a book too. He sided with the Ramsey's.
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No, the Former FBI profiler or detective was retired his name is Lou something. He wrote a book too. He sided with the Ramsey's.
No, that's not it.

I'm referring to the official profiling that was done by several FBI agents close to the time of the original investigation. This resulted in a official FBI assesment of the case.

The problem I have with a lot of these former FBI profilers and detectives analysing these cases is that it usually involves money and a book deal.
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This is a great websleuths thread on the DNA evidence.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90999
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Well, public opinion has hurt the Ramseys. Remember that hilarious sketch on MadTV where the Ramseys were part of the Hollywood Squares game and every time the scene cut to John Ramsey there was another celebrity who had disappeared? That had me in stitches.

Patty is dead now and she never was privy to that hoax of a confession from that guy who claims he killed JonBenet. John if you can believe it tried to run for Congress (or Senator/Governor) a few years ago. Would you vote for him?

Either the Ramseys did it or the world owes them a HUGE apology. This case will go down with JFK and Jimmy Hoffa IMO. We are likely never to know the truth.

Bottom line is this, like the Duwaliby's if the Ramsays are not guilty of murder then they were at the very least neglectful parents in my mind.
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Either the Ramseys did it or the world owes them a HUGE apology. This case will go down with JFK and Jimmy Hoffa IMO. We are likely never to know the truth.

Bottom line is this, like the Duwaliby's if the Ramsays are not guilty of murder then they were at the very least neglectful parents in my mind.
I think this case is still solveable.

1. If the Ramsey family did it, there are two survivors in Burke and John who still could talk. There are also other accomplices who could speak as well. I don;t think this case is that far beyond. John Ramsey or Burke still may be the ones that ultimately killed Jon Benet.

2. If the Ramseys didn;t do it, the suspect is not a stranger, but someone well withing the Ramseys inner circle of friends. The killer's name was in their address book circa 1990s. It should not be as difficult as trying to find a stranger.

3. There are two pieces of evidence that we have that usually do not exist in cases. We have DNA(if it is the killer's DNA) and a handwriting sample.

I still believe this case can be solved. The problem is that people have to open themselves to the possibility that the Ramseys may have done it. They cannot shut off that line of investigation.

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Bottom line is this, like the Duwaliby's if the Ramsays are not guilty of murder then they were at the very least neglectful parents in my mind.
I think sometimes we put too much stock in the whole Beauty Queen angle of this case. Personally I think that it has nothing to do with this case.
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His finding the body by chance in a room the police had already checked & the moving it also has to be considered
highly suspect, as does the lack of evidence of an intruder & the fact the note was written inside the house.
If I remember correctly that room where she was found was overlooked as the door was locked or had a pad lock on it.

When looking for a missing/kidnapped child you look in EVERY ROOM locked or not.

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Why invite friends over so early in the morning ??
Wait for the police and let the police do their job and they should have looked in ALL rooms locked or not.

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Why did he use the Ramsey's own material for the Ransom note? Why didn;t he bring his own materials?
That has been bothering me from the start, just not right
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Why did he use the Ramsey's own material for the Ransom note? Why didn;t he bring his own materials?

That has been bothering me from the start, just not right
He even had the gracious foresight to return the pen back to it's cannister.
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JonBenét would have been 20 today and still no justice or solution.
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leafygreen's avatar scares me now. It's from that creepy Sherry Eyerly segment. There's even something about that technology they used in the recreation of that vision John Catchings said he had that creeps me out (which, of course, is the avatar).
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I think this case is still solveable.

1. If the Ramsey family did it, there are two survivors in Burke and John who still could talk. There are also other accomplices who could speak as well. I don;t think this case is that far beyond. John Ramsey or Burke still may be the ones that ultimately killed Jon Benet.
What I wonder is how much trouble someone is in who didn't do it, but definitely knows who did and didn't turn them in? Obviously if Patsy did it, Burke can't talk for fear of getting John in trouble for helping Patsy cover up. But how about others, such as Patsy's relatives and (ex-)friends, to whom Patsy either openly confessed or let enough slip that they guessed? How much is just suspicion, and how much is proof that should be brought to the police? I'm wondering if Burke will never talk while any of these people are alive? What if Burke marries, tells his wife the truth, and they later split up so she is free to talk?
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My opinion is that her late mother killed her. I've never been satisfied with their explanation and I imagine it was guilt that possibly hastened her early death from cancer. Stress from having to live with that will do that. But that is just my opinion. I don't believe this case was every properly investigated the way it should have been although the Ramseys sure didn't make it easy regardless. As I recall they lawyered up and moved away.
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Well, public opinion has hurt the Ramseys. Remember that hilarious sketch on MadTV where the Ramseys were part of the Hollywood Squares game and every time the scene cut to John Ramsey there was another celebrity who had disappeared? That had me in stitches.

Patty is dead now and she never was privy to that hoax of a confession from that guy who claims he killed JonBenet. John if you can believe it tried to run for Congress (or Senator/Governor) a few years ago. Would you vote for him?

Either the Ramseys did it or the world owes them a HUGE apology. This case will go down with JFK and Jimmy Hoffa IMO. We are likely never to know the truth.

Bottom line is this, like the Duwaliby's if the Ramsays are not guilty of murder then they were at the very least neglectful parents in my mind.
Oswald killed JFK and Hoffa was whacked by the mob.

Oswald had a straight on shot when the motorcade was nearly stopped. Oswald could have thrown a rock out the window and hit Kennedy in the head. Of course one can't completely overlook Marcello and Trafficante as wanting JFK dead. And Ruby did have mob connections. But I still come down to Oswald as the lone gunman. Three shots were fired. One went astray. One hit JFK and Connelly but was not fatal and the final shot blew out the back of Kennedy's skull and killed him. He would have survived the first shot. And then Oswald went on to a movie house and wound up killing Officer Tibbett later that day with a handgun. At the very least he was the triggerman. He had the means, the motive and the opportunity.

Hoffa was no longer of any use to the mob as they had their own puppet in place with Fitzsimmons. Hoffa was excess baggage and a man who knew too much who was trying to muscle his way back into power.
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Oswald had a straight on shot when the motorcade was nearly stopped. Oswald could have thrown a rock out the window and hit Kennedy in the head.
It was not an easy shot, but was a possible one. There are wildly contradictory stories regarding Oswald's shooting ability. Someone recalled being on a rabbit hunt with him in Russia where he couldn't even hit a rabbit and someone else had to shoot it for him. Someone else recalled target practice in the Marines, when everyone had knocked off for coffee and cigarettes because no one could hit anything accurately with a strong side wind. Oswald continued to shoot, and to hit the target accurately.
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