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Old 08-16-2014, 12:34 AM   #16
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I'm sure this has been brought up in another thread, but the thing that I find so unsettling is the whole chain of events. Philip tells the hitchhiker that he needs to go into the cafe, ultimately decides not to, gets into his car, pulls back onto the road, and then what? Unfortunately we don't know exactly what transpired between the two, other than he stopped for the hitchhiker (initially), began to drive off, then the guy grabs the door, Philip STOPS and then lets him into his car. Why would Philip stop? Or perhaps, why be so indecisive? Based off of what he told to the couple he stayed with, he was able to learn quite a bit from Philip about who he was and where he was going. I don't know, but if I begrudgingly let the hitchhiker into my car as what appeared to have happened, I wouldn't have said anything to the guy.
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I'm sure this has been brought up in another thread, but the thing that I find so unsettling is the whole chain of events. Philip tells the hitchhiker that he needs to go into the cafe, ultimately decides not to, gets into his car, pulls back onto the road, and then what? Unfortunately we don't know exactly what transpired between the two, other than he stopped for the hitchhiker (initially), began to drive off, then the guy grabs the door, Philip STOPS and then lets him into his car. Why would Philip stop? Or perhaps, why be so indecisive?
I have actually found this to be among the most disturbing unexplained incidents in the history of UM. What had to have been said to 1) encourage Philip to begin to roll away, and then 2) get him to finally brake his vehicle, and let the stranger in? I'm not sure if we will EVER know the answers to those questions. The speculation, however, is amazingly unsettling.
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I wonder (bread) if Phillips killer was caught. I always assumed the killer was American maybe a drifter up in Alaska trying to get back to the 48 states and needed money and a ride to get there. or is he Canadian? UM said the killer was familiar with Seattle and another big city name in Canada. They probably got this info from detectives who interviewed the couple who offered him a place to stay.

I do not think he is currently incarcerated. then again who knows? he could be in prison for another murder or theft or rape. but I still think he is free and living in America. I bet he was so scared that he lost a lot of weight and probably lost weight on purpose to change his ID.
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As far as why he didn't kill the married couple, many serial killers get the urge, then kill and its out of their system for a while. It's possible after killing Philip, he did not feel the need to kill again so soon.

As for the composite, it doesn't look anything like Michael McGray to me. McGray looks more like George Lucas ith a mullet than he does that sketch. Doesn't mean it isn't him though.
There aren't many pictures of McGray with a clean-shaven face available on google. But I still think he could be the man in the composites. He also fits the profile of a drifter/hitchhiker.

As for Eddie and Pauline Olson (the couple who picked up the hitchhiker), he didn't really have a legitimate reason to harm them. In the segment, Eddie speculated about his case of guns he had in the room where the hitchhiker slept, but I think he only speculated on that AFTER realizing he and his wife were aiding a potential killer.

Remember, Phillip's body was found only about 70 miles from the Olsons' home. He was still fairly close to Phillip's body when the Olsons picked him up which means he still could have easily been caught by a state trooper who might have been passing by. He had a priority to get away from the dump site and get rid of the car as soon as possible. He saw a chance to make some money with the car by selling it to Olson but he couldn't wait that long because the authorities might have been hot on his trail and he couldn't risk getting caught. Plus, if he had murdered the Olsons, he would have left a much bigger trail. That on top of the fact he didn't feel the urge to do such a dirty deed again so soon.
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dynoguy88 posted a really intriguing possibility in this thread:
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/...8&postcount=25

And zack007attack makes some great theories as well:
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/...6&postcount=42

I think the hitchhiker ultimately was trying to flee to Seattle by any means necessary, and as quickly as possible. But I think the trail runs cold at the car wash in Prince George. As mentioned in that thread, Prince George is a transportation hub where he could have gone anywhere in any direction, but based off of the timeline he was always headed south, and I believe he mentioned to the Olsons about wanting a plane ticket to Seattle in exchange for the car. If he took on Philip's persona of going to Seattle for med school, that would be an easy escape plan. If he stayed in Canada for much longer he was bound to get caught. There's also debate if his killer was Canadian or American. I think he's Canadian based off of the Olson's account of him initially taking out one wallet and then secretively opening another wallet and paying them $20 in American. It was probably his first instinct to open his own wallet and then realized it would have been a red flag paying them in Canadian money.

If I had more time and patience I'd cross reference murders in Canada in 1988 and see if any of those details match up with Philip's case.
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Canadian serial killer John Crawford


Fraser's killer.

Maybe?
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Canadian serial killer John Crawford


Fraser's killer.

Maybe?
Doesn’t fit the profile. Crawford only killed aboriginal women and all his crimes were sexual in nature.
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The composites of the suspect in this case has given me creeps ever since I was a kid almost 100 years ago in the early 90s. Thumbing through the unsolved website I came across someone that reminded me of him. Roger Hoan Brady, killed a police officer in 93. https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Martin_Ganz
The area could work as well, Oregon is pretty close to Washington if I remember my geography correctly.
This is probably a dead thread, but heck, I still registered just to share that.
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The composites of the suspect in this case has given me creeps ever since I was a kid almost 100 years ago in the early 90s. Thumbing through the unsolved website I came across someone that reminded me of him. Roger Hoan Brady, killed a police officer in 93. https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Martin_Ganz
The area could work as well, Oregon is pretty close to Washington if I remember my geography correctly.
This is probably a dead thread, but heck, I still registered just to share that.
Wow. Looks exactly like him:

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Wow. Looks exactly like him:

Holy hell. That's so close it's scary..........
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That is a pretty amazing resemblance.

I wonder if Gaye and Tina Frocklage and Eddie and Pauline Olson have seen that photo.
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The way that Tina and Gaye Frocklage describe the suspect as really giving them the creeps, thinking he looked like he escaped from a mental institution, I feel like they'd be able to recognize him as well. This case has stood out to me, as well as Curt Sova, the most.
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