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Old 03-26-2018, 11:56 PM   #16
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I'm wondering if Drew is the same one I had to ban due to crass statements? Anyways, don't forget that witnesses saw Amy and Yellow, a member of the ship's band, walk up the stairs to the upper deck, and he came back minutes later by himself. Amy was NOT alone. I don't know if anyone testified as to how inebriated Amy was or might have been during the time she left her parents' suite, but if she didn't accidentally fall overboard (doubtful, given that Amy hated the open waters and wouldn't have gotten near the railing), then the bass player made more sexual advances towards Amy in her intoxicated state, she resisted, and was pushed or thrown off the ship.
Don't remember reading this, I remember seeing witnesses saying she was on her own in an elevator but don't recall any mention of her being seen with him or anybody else. Any links to this?
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I'm wondering if Drew is the same one I had to ban due to crass statements? Anyways, don't forget that witnesses saw Amy and Yellow, a member of the ship's band, walk up the stairs to the upper deck, and he came back minutes later by himself. Amy was NOT alone. I don't know if anyone testified as to how inebriated Amy was or might have been during the time she left her parents' suite, but if she didn't accidentally fall overboard (doubtful, given that Amy hated the open waters and wouldn't have gotten near the railing), then the bass player made more sexual advances towards Amy in her intoxicated state, she resisted, and was pushed or thrown off the ship.
To the first point, no I'm no such person.

She was also not that afraid of the open water or the railing to go to sleep next to both. An inebriated person with limited balance and an ebb of the ship at the wrong moment is all it would take.

As for the bass player going upstairs, there were hundreds of people on that boat and I'm sure more than a few had that short Lisa Rinna-esq 90s hair that he could have been walking with. Were the witnesses sober? It's not like we have CCTV evidence here.
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Old 03-27-2018, 01:42 PM   #18
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The trafficking theory was never credible in this situation. Assaults by crew members do occur, but other than the alleged sighting with the musician there's no strong evidence that leads to that conclusion. In all likelihood she accidentally fell overboard, whether that was due to inebriation, being disoriented due to lack of sleep or trying to conquer her fear by leaning or standing on the railing will never be known for certain. Now people are having accidental falls in an attempt to get the perfect selfie.
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I thought it was possible Amy had been kidnapped for a long time, but not anymore. I never thought that woman in the photo was Amy, though. The picture looks like it was taken many years before Amy disappeared. And even if she had been kidnapped, I don't believe she would have still been alive in 2005. Anyway, I think Amy got sick and fell overboard after her father drifted off to sleep. She may have normally been afraid of the water, but I doubt she felt as afraid at the time because she was drunk.
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My theory is, she met with foul play and never made it off that boat alive. What actually happened, we will most likely never know but it was no accident imo.
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As a teenager seeing this for the first time I never thought this was much of a mystery and little has changed my mind. It sounds clearly like a case of her falling overboard while nearly unconscious from being drunk: that would explain why nobody heard a scream and it would be like finding a needle in a haystack for anyone to see a body in the water, especially at night. There is certainly a slim possibility that somebody could have accidently or intentionally knocked her overboard but all signs point to at unfortunate accident.

I've heard it said that Amy couldn't have fallen overboard because she was afraid of water but there is a reason alcohol is sometimes referred to as "liquid courage". It doesn't rob your free will but it certainly can make you take very foolish risks you wouldn't otherwise. I can appreciate that large organizations like to cover up things like this but there is no conspiracy and it's ridiculous to detain everyone just because an adult is missing.

A crazy thought but the Titantic movie came out less than a year before her disappearance. Maybe she alone or with a fellow drunk person (or even a crew member) thought it would be a great idea to reenact that famous scene from the movie? I certainly saw more than one person get WAY too close to the edge when I was a passenger on a ferry.
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My theory is, she met with foul play and never made it off that boat alive. What actually happened, we will most likely never know but it was no accident imo.
Thatís what I tend to go along with. Which is probably why the cruise ship didnít do a thorough search. The cruise line seems pretty shady and knew a lot more than they would admit.
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Thatís what I tend to go along with. Which is probably why the cruise ship didnít do a thorough search. The cruise line seems pretty shady and knew a lot more than they would admit.
I find it unlikely-there was no incidents of kidnapping on this vessel before or since, there was a rape in 2010, but that is it for nearly 21 years. We have to remember that she had been missing for a very short time-while the family might have been frantic to the Captain it was likely just another drunk youngster gone off for a tryst with another passenger, or she had gone exploring. To expect him to stop everybody disembarking with zero evidence of a crime is ridiculous, as is expecting them to be searching like they are the FBI, they are sailors, not trained law enforcement & there were probably very poor or even no protocols in place for this kind of stuff back then &no experience of it happening.
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As a teenager seeing this for the first time I never thought this was much of a mystery and little has changed my mind. It sounds clearly like a case of her falling overboard while nearly unconscious from being drunk: that would explain why nobody heard a scream and it would be like finding a needle in a haystack for anyone to see a body in the water, especially at night. There is certainly a slim possibility that somebody could have accidently or intentionally knocked her overboard but all signs point to at unfortunate accident.

I've heard it said that Amy couldn't have fallen overboard because she was afraid of water but there is a reason alcohol is sometimes referred to as "liquid courage". It doesn't rob your free will but it certainly can make you take very foolish risks you wouldn't otherwise. I can appreciate that large organizations like to cover up things like this but there is no conspiracy and it's ridiculous to detain everyone just because an adult is missing.

A crazy thought but the Titantic movie came out less than a year before her disappearance. Maybe she alone or with a fellow drunk person (or even a crew member) thought it would be a great idea to reenact that famous scene from the movie? I certainly saw more than one person get WAY too close to the edge when I was a passenger on a ferry.
The Titanic angle is an interesting idea.
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I find it unlikely-there was no incidents of kidnapping on this vessel before or since, there was a rape in 2010, but that is it for nearly 21 years. We have to remember that she had been missing for a very short time-while the family might have been frantic to the Captain it was likely just another drunk youngster gone off for a tryst with another passenger, or she had gone exploring. To expect him to stop everybody disembarking with zero evidence of a crime is ridiculous, as is expecting them to be searching like they are the FBI, they are sailors, not trained law enforcement & there were probably very poor or even no protocols in place for this kind of stuff back then &no experience of it happening.
Agree with everything.

The uproar from confining hundreds of passengers to the boat with nothing more to go on than an adult is off somewhere would have been a customer service nightmare for an entity whose sole business is hospitality. Especially with a consenting adult and no evidence there was anything wrong

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Agreed.

Titanic theory interesting and plausible as well. Even more so than the trafficking theory.

I think the least plausible of all the theories discussed is "she was sent into human trafficking".
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Agreed.

Titanic theory interesting and plausible as well. Even more so than the trafficking theory.

I think the least plausible of all the theories discussed is "she was sent into human trafficking".
While I agree (now) that Amy was not likely a victim of human trafficking, I think a lot of people don't realize just *how* common it really is. I had no idea until I took a required work seminar about it three years ago. It happens so quickly and so commonly that it really is scary.

In all honesty, if I weren't 99% sure that Johan VanDerSloot killed Natalie Holloway and disposed of her body, I'd think she had been a victim of human trafficking, too.
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I’ve always been skeptical of the human trafficking theory regarding both Amy Bradley and Natalie Holloway. I’m not going to say that trafficking doesn’t happen, but I just can’t get behind that theory in the cases mentioned. Two girls both from well-to-do families whose cases have received a considerable attention? Not going to buy it. Probably a likely trafficking victim is someone impoverished, someone who likely wouldn’t have too many people looking for them. If they were trafficked, it’s unlikely that they’re still around. It’s not an occupation that comes with high life expectancy. Even ignoring that, probably their handlers would have killed them once their cases blew up.
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After thinking about it I think the most likely scenario was that she was seasick. There's footage of her being drunk, and her brother said she was drunk on the balcony when she got back.

Laying on a balcony of a ship could make you seasick period, but if you're drunk it's really going to make you nauseous. I bet she got seasick and fell overboard when she went to throw up.
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What about her family's comments that she was absent from all of the pictures displayed on board of the passengers? Any photo that would have had Amy included was not hung up.
(IIRC, the crew would take photos of nightly events and then post them shortly after)
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