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Old 03-02-2017, 05:26 AM   #46
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I'm very late to this case. I didn't hear about it until this thread so I looked it up and....I can't even find the right words to describe how disgusting it is.

Lack of empathy is an excellent fact to bring up. But humans putting other humans through days of torture like that before finally "finishing the job," makes me wonder about what other crimes these people could have done. Surely they must have killed before.
Off the top of my head ( so I could be mistaken) but I think the males had some petty charges prior to the murder, and the female kept her nose clean. But one never knows when someone will snap.

Then you have that jerk who killed his 4 kids and shot his wife, near you. He killed his pregnant girlfriend years ago, and they paroled him! Thank god the judge today put him away for life. This is part of a bigger dichotomy with the prison system- rehabilitation or punishment
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Off the top of my head (so I could be mistaken) but I think the males had some petty charges prior to the murder, and the female kept her nose clean. But one never knows when someone will snap.
I'm trying to comprehend something that's incomprehensible. Maybe it's nothing more than snapping, like you said. Kind of like with the Gus Hoffman case on UM, it's the multiple days of torture before finishing the deed that I'm trying to understand. If you take that much delight in putting another human being through that kind of hell, I figure you must killed before.

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Then you have that jerk who killed his 4 kids and shot his wife, near you. He killed his pregnant girlfriend years ago, and they paroled him! Thank god the judge today put him away for life. This is part of a bigger dichotomy with the prison system- rehabilitation or punishment
Good riddance to that guy going away. I agree he should have never been paroled in the first place.
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Then you have that jerk who killed his 4 kids and shot his wife, near you. He killed his pregnant girlfriend years ago, and they paroled him! Thank god the judge today put him away for life. This is part of a bigger dichotomy with the prison system- rehabilitation or punishment[/QUOTE]

There needs to be 2 prison systems. 1 system for offenders who have committed such horrendous crimes that they will never be released into society again. The 2nd system has to be a form of punishment that also treats and educates. While incarcerated these offenders need to be contributing to society instead of being a drain on society. They will one day be back in society and so it's imperative systems are in place to reduce recidivism. Work, treatment, education.
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There needs to be 2 prison systems. 1 system for offenders who have committed such horrendous crimes that they will never be released into society again. The 2nd system has to be a form of punishment that also treats and educates. While incarcerated these offenders need to be contributing to society instead of being a drain on society. They will one day be back in society and so it's imperative systems are in place to reduce recidivism. Work, treatment, education.
I agree with this wholeheartedly. There should be separate systems for those worthy of a shot at rehabilitation vs those who need to be kept away from society. Some people are beyond redemption.
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I'm still listed here in Las Vegas but now I spend most of the year in Miami, my original home town.

There is one case Miami area case I can think of with some strange twists and underlying hints of cover up, at least on online forums. For whatever reason it never received much attention, even locally. I didn't read about it until maybe 5 years ago.

It is the Jean Marie Stewart case in Miami Lakes. Early '80s. She was a wild teenager from the Pittsburgh area who was temporarily living with her boyfriend's family in Miami Lakes. Her friends threw a party for her one night before she was scheduled to return to Pittsburgh. I think she was returning for a wedding, or some formal function. It's been a while since I refreshed on this case.

Anyway, she left the party and stopped at a nearby convenience store. The boyfriend supposedly went inside while Jean stayed in the car. Two minutes later he returned but she was gone. Gone for decades. Her remains were discovered a year later and not far away in Hialeah but somehow it took more than a quarter century to identify those remains. An online sleuth detected the key link when she saw emphasis of an overbite in both the description of Jean and also the description of the remains that had not been identified.

It got bizarre years ago when I was reading an online forum and the thread extended page after page. Lots of accusations that the boyfriend was actually a suspect but that it was being covered up since his mother was a local politician. Something like that. Jean's close friend had led the online search for years but suddenly she was accused of unethical practices like hacking online forums that had posts relating to Jean's case. I remember getting dizzy as the accusers went back and forth.

The Miami Lakes connection meant a great deal to me because I always enjoyed that area, especially as a teenager. The 826 (or Palmetto Expressway, as locals call it) makes a huge sweeping bend to the east, turning from a northbound freeway to eastbound. Miami Lakes is contained on the inside of that huge bend. It was always considered an upscale area, especially when I was growing up. There was a prominent championship course just inside the bend and also a decent par 3 course. Many Dolphin players during the '70s/80s heyday lived in Miami Lakes, including Don Shula. In fact, Shula opened his first steakhouse in Miami Lakes, although I believe that was much later, in the mid '90s.

It seems very odd that a missing person's case and possible abduction could take place in that area. There was a surge in crime in Miami in the early '80s due to the Mariel boatlift and other factors. But that was generally in the more vulnerable areas, like the airport. Hialeah, where the remains were found, does have many seedy areas, then and now.
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I agree with this wholeheartedly. There should be separate systems for those worthy of a shot at rehabilitation vs those who need to be kept away from society. Some people are beyond redemption.
I agree with this as well. The majority of people in county jails are in there for drug related offenses. If there was a rehab program and a training program to help them not reoffend, it would save taxpayer money plus makenproductive members of society.
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The 1991 Austin yogurt shop murders should have been on UM. It occurred in the same month as the murder of Colleen Reed, so naturally Kenneth McDuff was initially a suspect, but was later ruled out. It's still a cold case to this day, despite multiple confessions that were later determined to be false. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991...rs?wprov=sfla1
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The 1991 Austin yogurt shop murders should have been on UM. It occurred in the same month as the murder of Colleen Reed, so naturally Kenneth McDuff was initially a suspect, but was later ruled out. It's still a cold case to this day, despite multiple confessions that were later determined to be false. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991...rs?wprov=sfla1
This one is a head scratcher. I wonder if it was the wrong details MacDuff gave that was the reason to rule him out.
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That seems likely. Austin PD have been desperate to solve this case for 25+ years. If they thought he was responsible they'd have every reason to pin it on him and put this to rest. I thought they might have had DNA (this was also a sexual assault case) but I haven't heard that anything came of that either. If McDuff's DNA didn't match, that's not necessarily conclusive because he was known to work with a partner, as he did when he raped & murdered Colleen Reed.
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Just an aside - at the time they finally arrested McDuff and charged him with Reed's murder, I think everyone in Austin felt 100% sure that he was responsible for the Yogurt Shop murders. Everything seemed to fit circumstantially: same month, both were sexual assaults as well as murders, he had targeted teenage girls in the past, and he was definitely in the area.
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I am starting to feel like McDuff is the catch all suspect for rapes and murders when he wasn't in prison. Not that he wasn't capable of being a more prolific serial killer- it's just that he could fit so many unsolved murders. Kinda like Ted Bundy
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The murder of Roxyann Allee. Allee was murder in Houston on September 30, 1991. She was an off duty Harris County Sherriff's deputy. She was shopping that evening at a Dillard's in Greenspoint Mall. She was abducted by two men from the mall and a few hours later, they found her minivan engulfed in flames just 10 minutes from the mall. Her body was found a short time after that just a half mile from the van. She had been shot three times in the head. To this day, her killers have never been found.

Greenspoint has earned the nickname "Gunspoint" for the better part of twenty years but a the time of this crime, it was not a bad area. Today, it is one of the city's worst. There have been recent updates on the case with the authorities "re-opening" it and offering a reward, but they are no closer to finding her killers today than they were 26 years ago. This would have been perfect for Unsolved Mysteries.

Here is a link to a recent story which includes a video of the news broadcast the week the murder occurred.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/la...-roxyann-allee
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I'm from Portland, OR and the Kyron Horman disappearance is definitely UM material. He went missing in 2008 and it was huge news. Still unsolved, though most people suspect his stepmother. It's a fascinating case.
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The murder of Roxyann Allee. Allee was murder in Houston on September 30, 1991. She was an off duty Harris County Sherriff's deputy. She was shopping that evening at a Dillard's in Greenspoint Mall. She was abducted by two men from the mall and a few hours later, they found her minivan engulfed in flames just 10 minutes from the mall. Her body was found a short time after that just a half mile from the van. She had been shot three times in the head. To this day, her killers have never been found.
This was a professional hit. It will not be solved unless the hitmen or mastermind confesses. Her being a deputy at the county jail is why this hit was carried out. What the exact motive was is anyone's guess. Could be quite a few dangerous roads to navigate in this case. With how long it's been now who knows if the major players are still alive. My guess would be drugs and or misconduct at the jail
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This was a professional hit. It will not be solved unless the hitmen or mastermind confesses. Her being a deputy at the county jail is why this hit was carried out. What the exact motive was is anyone's guess. Could be quite a few dangerous roads to navigate in this case. With how long it's been now who knows if the major players are still alive. My guess would be drugs and or misconduct at the jail
Are you familiar with this case? I agree with you that its been so long that the perpetrators are most likely dead or incarcerated for some other type of offense. Interesting angle with the professional hit. She wasn't high up in the HCSO but maybe she arrested the wrong person during one of her shifts. I always figured it was two random drug addicts that were looking to rob/carjack someone and when they found out she was law enforcement, they killed her.
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