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Old 01-23-2017, 04:22 PM   #16
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Thanks for the list Hot Jock. Keep them coming. Much easier to check here vs using the strange descriptions from Amazon.
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Episodes 9-12 added now. We're halfway done with season one now.

I'll have episodes 13-24 up by tomorrow evening, if not sooner.

Thanks again for your patience, folks. -HJ
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Judging from the descriptions above (Thanks HotJock!), it seems that they are using the 10/26/88 (S01 E03) episode sometimes known as "Hauntings" or "Halloween" to plug up holes in various other episodes. It makes sense since this episode was devoted exclusively to ghost stories/"The Unexplained" segments and instead of grouping these similar cases together they are using them as place holders for segments they are choosing not to include in the series such as "Gulf Breeze" or "Janet Parker O'Regan".

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I think it's funny that the Dave Davis case is listed in the description as "Thumbs". WTF?
Dave Davis had a condition known as splade thumbs or hammerhead thumbs which is one means the authorities thought could be useful in identifying him while he was on the lam.
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Old 01-23-2017, 10:35 PM   #19
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Yeah, I kind of noticed that the "Halloween" episode was chopped up and being used all over the place. There are several season one segments that are conspicuous by their absence so far. Another odd thing was that the John Nellis segment is included amongst these season one episodes. That segment didn't even originally air until 8/28/91 which was the tail end of season three. A strange one to find here, for sure.
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This is correct. There are several instances of "reruns" in season one. Usually, it's just the update to the original story though and is only a few minutes long.
One of the practices that UM used frequently was to frankenstein episodes (for lack of a better term). What they would do is take the majority of the segments already featured in a previously aired episode and insert one new segment usually at the lead making a "Frankenstein" in the process. In one case when "Lifetime" purchased the syndication rights to UM, they picked up one of the rebroadcasts instead of the original choosing to assimilate 5/31/89 (S01 E27) into syndication instead of the original broadcast 11/23/88 (S01 E07)

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Curiously, the Todd McAfee case (still unsolved) is missing. Same with the Mike Riemer/Diana Robertson segment. IIRC, both were featured during the original season 1 run.
Both Mike Riemer and Todd McAfee were known as "Summertime Specials" which meant that they were assimilated into existing episodes during the summer of 1989 when UM was on summer recess. So technically they are not part of season one or season two so it will be interesting to see how/if they are assimilated into the streaming format. Hopefully they get dropped in somewhere much as Lifetime allowed us to view the Riemer episode as part of their syndication package but not McAfee.

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I noticed that the number of eps on Amazon is far fewer than what are listed in the first season of the Episode Guide here.

I was hoping that this was due to later episodes with rerun segments being condensed into each other, but it sounds as if material may be missing which is a shame.
As I've mentioned previously there will be segments that will likely be forever lost to time. This is not due to any error on CM's part but instead likely date back to decade old issues regarding the syndication or in this case re-distribution of these segments. It's unfortunate that fans won't get to see these segments but real life sometimes gets in the way of entertainment. That being said, 99% of the segments are there and the fact that they are producing "new Frankensteins" allows for the intriguing possibility that the "Summertime Specials" or maybe even "Final Appeal" segments could be assimilated into the streaming package. Stay tuned!
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I'm about to faint.

I can't believe this is happening.
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I've been watching these all day, even though I have a good chunk of these segments on DVD or VHS already! It's just a different experience watching these in high quality, with the original cues, intros and such.

Man, one case I gotta call out.... Lee Selwyn's. I've only ever seen the Lifetime version with the update, thus the description of the suspect and his vehicle was truncated (as it usually is when a case is updated). I was hoping that it was included in this, and it was... and I was mentally prepared for a terrifying composite considering the REAL person was terrifying enough with his crazy eyes, and the road rage circumstances. Boy, I was not disappointed. I don't think I've ever seen a composite on UM (or America's Most Wanted) with *gritted teeth*. Thank goodness I didn't see the segment when I was 7 - I wouldn't have been able to sleep until at least 1992!
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Both Mike Riemer and Todd McAfee were known as "Summertime Specials" which meant that they were assimilated into existing episodes during the summer of 1989 when UM was on summer recess. So technically they are not part of season one or season two so it will be interesting to see how/if they are assimilated into the streaming format. Hopefully they get dropped in somewhere much as Lifetime allowed us to view the Riemer episode as part of their syndication package but not McAfee.
What's weird is that they dropped the Gulf Breeze UFO segment and the Janet O'Regan segment episodes from "season 1" (due to legal reasons and because the Gulf Breeze segment turned out to be a hoax), yet they didn't replace them with the McAfee or Riemer segments. And they definitely modified some episodes. For example: Anne Hearin was first featured on the episode which had the 2nd part of the Son of Sam segment, along with Janet O'Regan, and Bob Dozier/John Russell. For the streaming episode, they have the General Wayne Inn (Halloween ghost episode originally) first, then the Gretchen Burford segment (which didn't air until season 2), followed by the Son of Sam part 2, then Anne Hearin. Seems to me like they could've spliced in some of the summer special segments into the streaming episodes. The Tallman's ghost segment is also missing from the streaming season 1.
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Does FilmRise have an email? We should bombard them with emails asking why certain episodes aren't there
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Does FilmRise have an email? We should bombard them with emails asking why certain episodes aren't there
Perhaps the following should be stickied at the top of this thread:

The fact that the UM streaming content does not accurately represent the episodes as originally broadcast is likely not due to some oversight or error. The segments that have been omitted thus far have all been cited as being the subject of either legal or royalty issues in the past. For example, the Burr/Malden PSS would likely involve the payment of royalties to the estates of both deceased actors if they were assimilated into streaming format. CM obviously has a deal in place that allows them to assimilate the Robert Stack episodes into the streaming package but the PSS is likely another issue all together. It will be interesting to see how they handle the segments hosted by Keely Shaye Smith and Virginia Madsen once the streaming package reaches those episodes.

Likewise there have been reported issues (both legal and otherwise) regarding segments that were hosted by Robert Stack. For example the first "Lost Loves" case ever broadcast was of a woman named Janet Parker O'Regan who was looking for her long lost father. UM helped her locate the family of her father (who was deceased) but the family in question requested UM not rebroadcast the segment as they didn't want the fact that Janet's father had a child out of wedlock to be publicized. Throughout the run of the series, various individuals profiled would also take issue with the way they were portrayed in various segments and the result would be that their segments were pulled from contention in terms of syndication and now likely streaming packages.

Likewise this would be as good of place as any to restate that there are probably any number of cases that have been pulled from the streaming package for reasons we aren't privy to. The ones we know about date from contemporary articles on the subject matter. There are likely other segments that aren't allowed to be assimilated into the streaming package for reasons that were never publicized.
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What's weird is that they dropped the Gulf Breeze UFO segment and the Janet O'Regan segment episodes from "season 1" (due to legal reasons and because the Gulf Breeze segment turned out to be a hoax), yet they didn't replace them with the McAfee or Riemer segments. And they definitely modified some episodes. For example: Anne Hearin was first featured on the episode which had the 2nd part of the Son of Sam segment, along with Janet O'Regan, and Bob Dozier/John Russell. For the streaming episode, they have the General Wayne Inn (Halloween ghost episode originally) first, then the Gretchen Burford segment (which didn't air until season 2), followed by the Son of Sam part 2, then Anne Hearin. Seems to me like they could've spliced in some of the summer special segments into the streaming episodes. The Tallman's ghost segment is also missing from the streaming season 1.
Your suggestion would've been the most obvious way of mending certain episodes without disrupting the content of others in the process. In regards to the "Gulf Breeze" segment, there are other segments aired throughout the series that have long since been debunked as hoaxes. So it will be interesting to see if these segments are omitted as well. My two cents worth is that the debunking of the Gulf Breeze UFOs has nothing to do with why it was never assimilated into syndication and now streaming. Instead it may has something to do with how the principle party was portrayed especially in the second "Gulf Breeze" segment produced by UM (10/3/90 - S03 E03). I can't recall where on this forum it's archived but I swear there were some reports about the Gulf Breeze segments being problematic. Anyhow it's something to pin our hopes on anyhow, because if debunked segments are being intentionally omitted from being included in the streaming package, well there are bunch more of those out there besides "Gulf Breeze"!
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Episodes 13-18 have been added. I had a few issues with airdates on some segments, but I will move forward with 19-24 and finish up before doing more research. Thanks. -HJ
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The guide for season one is currently complete. There is a possibility that they could expand season one before adding season two, as they have already done this with the Farina episodes since putting them up for streaming. I certainly hope that is the case here since we are missing more than a handful of what I would consider "essential" season one segments.
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Off the top of your head, which are missing from Season 1 so far?
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Off the top of your head, which are missing from Season 1 so far?
Obviously all of the segments from the first three specials. Other than that:

Steve Hadley
Gulf Breeze UFO (we're not getting it)
Tallman's Ghost
Janet Parker O'Regan (we're not getting it)
Lancaster Extortion Letters
California sea lion murders (kind of glad it was left out tbh)
The Liebling
Wild horse deaths in the desert
Marlene Santana
The Sara Jo
Charles Wickman
Julie Cross
Kathy Power
Ron Rushton
David Rhodes
Weinberg Family
Markings on Mars
Walter Wenke/Ronald Enzlo
Stolen art
Diane Robertson/Mike Reimer
Todd McAfee

I'm sure there's more that I'm leaving out, but there are definitely a lot of good ones missing.
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