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Old 08-25-2013, 04:30 PM   #16
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I guess the easiest thing to do is look up the lady and see if she still stands by her story all these years later.
Apparently some people are willing to believe it is possible to engineer a massive conspiracy without a single person breaking their silence.
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Well to my knowledge no one has heard from Betty Thompson since the show. I tried to look her up but met with no success.
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It's not a mass conspiracy if several people spoke up about it. Frontera being a mess is not exactly shocking news.

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There's an article snippet shown during the segment that mentions other officers at Frontera, not just Betty Thompson, coming forward to reveal the curruption going on with the higher ups and drug trafficking at that prison.

I fully believe everything Betty said.
Same here, I just don't see any reason to believe she's lying.

Then there's that business that happened to Terri Lucas. That's pretty suspicious no matter what angle you come at it, in my opinion.
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I think it's possible that Betty Thompson may have embellished a few details here and there to make Frontera's staff look even worse than it was but overall I believe she was telling the truth. I don't know what to think about Terri Lucas, though.
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The lack of information on the Internet about whatever was happening at Frontera prison and any deaths connected to it suggests that the news media at the time didn't think it required extensive reporting. Let me say here that prison corruption is as unexpected as the sun coming up the following day, but if there were murders involved, that would be more newsworthy.
A lot of people here "believe" Betty Thompson. That is, you have faith in what you said. That is what shows likeUnsolved Mysteries often depend on.
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The lack of information on the Internet about whatever was happening at Frontera prison and any deaths connected to it suggests that the news media at the time didn't think it required extensive reporting. Let me say here that prison corruption is as unexpected as the sun coming up the following day, but if there were murders involved, that would be more newsworthy.
A lot of people here "believe" Betty Thompson. That is, you have faith in what you said. That is what shows likeUnsolved Mysteries often depend on.
No, shows like Unsolved Mysteries are trying to validate the claims of the victims of these events. Betty Thompson had nothing to gain from coming forward. After all, at that point she had no job and might have been afraid of what could become of the situation. Also, perhaps she was trying to help solve the murder of Jesslyn Rich by bringing forth the info she learned.

Quite simple. Not everything is a full blown lie, and UM often did massive background work on their more serious cases.
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Quite simple. Not everything is a full blown lie, and UM often did massive background work on their more serious cases.
Exactly. UM wouldn't waste the time and money to go fly out to a town, hire actors, film reeanctment scenes, set up interviews, etc. if they believed that the story was bogus or could have been bogus. I remember reading other cases that UM wouldn't do stories on (some of which were perfect for UM) because they got flooded with so many of them, they had to pick the best ones or most believable.
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So, was Jesslyn Rich's killer ever identified?
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http://articles.latimes.com/1992-07-...ice-department

The police consider the case closed, and the guy they suspect to have killed her died in 1990.

And it had nothing to do with the prison.
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I fully do believe Bettys account of the corruption at Frontera. However, it is totally possible Rich's murder had nothing to do with it.


However, I'm very confused. I read the article and it said police believe she left the bar willingly with the suspect. So, what about her friends account of her excusing herself just to use to ladies room and just never returning? Rich seemed like a responsible and accountable person not someone who on a whim or impulse would willingly ditch her friends to go to some random guys apartment. How did her friends not see her come out of the restroom and leave with the suspect? So, police believe she willingly left the bar out some backdoor with maybe an acquaintance at best (if she had previously met him at the bar on occasion) or a stranger at worst? It really doesn't make sense. I don't understand given her friends account how they could believe she left willingly unless police came to believe her friends lied about the last time they saw her (which why would they?).
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However, I'm very confused. I read the article and it said police believe she left the bar willingly with the suspect. So, what about her friends account of her excusing herself just to use to ladies room and just never returning? Rich seemed like a responsible and accountable person not someone who on a whim or impulse would willingly ditch her friends to go to some random guys apartment. How did her friends not see her come out of the restroom and leave with the suspect? So, police believe she willingly left the bar out some backdoor with maybe an acquaintance at best (if she had previously met him at the bar on occasion) or a stranger at worst? It really doesn't make sense. I don't understand given her friends account how they could believe she left willingly unless police came to believe her friends lied about the last time they saw her (which why would they?).

I agree. That's partly why I figured something at work possibly tied into her disappearance and murder.
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Well, it just makes me question how police came to their conclusions. This "suspect" could very well be her murderer but their scenario that she left willingly with him contradicts her friends account entirely and Richs personality doesn't seem someone who would just "sneak out a backdoor with a random guy and ditch her friends." Not one account says Rich was intoxicated either (not that that would entirely explain it either).

If police conclude that she left willingly, then it just makes me question their other conclusion. Its so odd they wont release any information at all about the weapon, exactly what lead them to believe it was this suspect, or why/how she would leave with him willingly. There have been plenty of suspects that have died and years after their death police do release their name. They must have incredibly flimsy evidence maybe even so much that if he was alive a DA wouldn't bring charges. Like I said, I'm not saying this guy didn't do it, he very well could have, I just don't like a case closed like this without any real explanation and the one they did say "left willingly" doesn't fit to me.
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Actually I take that all back. I just read and found an article from 1985 on the case. Looks like UM used the friends account only and didn't elaborate like this article did. Okay nevermind guys! lol


Mystery: What Happened to Jesslyn Rich?

June 24, 1985|LIZ MULLEN


Her family and friends think there is only a very slim chance that Jesslyn Rich is alive. And they don't know if they will ever find out what happened to her.

Rich, a 35-year-old prison guard, disappeared from Charlie's Wild West bar in Orange on Nov. 11, 1984. Her new sports car was found locked in the parking lot. Her credit cards and bank book, which disappeared with her, have not been used.

Except for a key chain imprinted with the address of her bank, which was dropped in a mailbox near the bar, Rich disappeared without a trace.

Orange Police Detective Bob Taylor said he and two other detectives have spent "hundreds of hours" investigating her disappearance. The file still is open, he said, but the case has been dormant for months.

Detective's Conjectures

Taylor said he doesn't know what happened. Perhaps, he said, "she walked outside and just decided, 'I'm not going home.' We stay away from suggesting there was foul play."

Rich's family and friends say they believe she was abducted, and probably killed. They say the police didn't question witnesses thoroughly, and didn't follow leads. Rich's brother, Gary Munz, said the police account of the disappearance itself is wrong.

Rich and her daughters, ages 11 and 14, lived in a house she owned in Riverside. Her supervisor said Rich had an excellent work record at the California Institute for Women at Frontera, where she had been a guard for two years. She was getting an A in her law enforcement class at Chaffey College, and hoped to be promoted to sergeant at the prison.

"She was making better money than she ever did before," Munz said. "I'm not saying that everything was peachy. There were some tough people (at the prison). But she was happy that she had a job that was a career, that she had a chance of promotion."

After her divorce seven years ago, "there were times when it was a struggle" for Rich to support her family, Munz said. But her job at the prison changed things.

"She was getting her house paid off. She bought her kids new clothes, two beach cruiser bikes," Munz said. "She was taking classes at Chaffey College. She was up for a grand jury selection. She was excited about it, she wanted to take her place in society."

John McGee, Rich's law enforcement professor at Chaffey College, described her as a "fantastic student" who received A's on all her work. "She never missed a class, she was never late," he said. "She simply would not walk away from those kids."

'A Very Stable Employee'

Lt. Vale Smith, her supervisor at the prison, said Rich was "a very stable employee. She was a very positive worker, well liked by co-workers, well liked by inmates."

Rich disappeared the Sunday night of Veterans Day weekend. One problem with the case, Taylor said, was that Rich's mother called the Riverside Sheriff's Department, which turned the case over to Orange police on Thursday. "We were behind four days at the beginning."





It was difficult to find witnesses who had been at the bar that night, and memories a few days later were no longer fresh, Taylor said.

Stories about how and when Rich left the bar differed, he said. The story police believe, he said, came from a waitress. "We're going by what we consider to be the best witness," he said. "In a bar situation, time passes, people are talking, drinking. A barmaid knows what's going on, who's sitting where."

Waitress's Account

The waitress told police Rich left the bar through the front door, carrying her purse, at about 9:30 that night, Taylor said.

But Rich's brother says he doesn't believe that account. "What are they (the police) telling me? That there's just one person (who was in the bar) who's not an idiot who just happened to say nothing's wrong, that she walked out on her own free will."

Six or seven people told Munz his sister went out the back door, he said. Three people said Rich's purse was in the booth about 30 minutes after she disappeared, and then the purse was gone, he said.

"How does she come back in the bar and pick it up, when they're all looking for her?" Munz said. "She doesn't."

Marilyn Ault, Rich's friend since high school, was with her that night. At about 8:30 p.m., Ault said, Rich walked toward the restroom at the back of the bar. When Rich didn't return in half an hour, Ault said, she began looking for her.

Ault says she saw Rich's purse on a chair just after she disappeared. "I know I saw the purse sitting there, and then it was gone."

It was then that another woman at the bar told Ault she had seen a woman lying in the back seat of a car parked behind the bar, Ault said. The woman also told her that the man who owned the car said Rich "would be taken care of," Ault said. Ault assumed Rich, who had been talking to the man earlier, had left with him.

Taylor said he couldn't comment on that story because it was still being investigated.

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It was difficult to find witnesses who had been at the bar that night, and memories a few days later were no longer fresh, Taylor said.

Stories about how and when Rich left the bar differed, he said. The story police believe, he said, came from a waitress. "We're going by what we consider to be the best witness," he said. "In a bar situation, time passes, people are talking, drinking. A barmaid knows what's going on, who's sitting where."

Waitress's Account

The waitress told police Rich left the bar through the front door, carrying her purse, at about 9:30 that night, Taylor said.

But Rich's brother says he doesn't believe that account. "What are they (the police) telling me? That there's just one person (who was in the bar) who's not an idiot who just happened to say nothing's wrong, that she walked out on her own free will."

Six or seven people told Munz his sister went out the back door, he said. Three people said Rich's purse was in the booth about 30 minutes after she disappeared, and then the purse was gone, he said.

"How does she come back in the bar and pick it up, when they're all looking for her?" Munz said. "She doesn't."

Marilyn Ault, Rich's friend since high school, was with her that night. At about 8:30 p.m., Ault said, Rich walked toward the restroom at the back of the bar. When Rich didn't return in half an hour, Ault said, she began looking for her.

Ault says she saw Rich's purse on a chair just after she disappeared. "I know I saw the purse sitting there, and then it was gone."

It was then that another woman at the bar told Ault she had seen a woman lying in the back seat of a car parked behind the bar, Ault said. The woman also told her that the man who owned the car said Rich "would be taken care of," Ault said. Ault assumed Rich, who had been talking to the man earlier, had left with him.

Taylor said he couldn't comment on that story because it was still being investigated.

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Well, this is definitely interesting. Seems like this should have been mentioned during the UM broadcast.
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We have to remember that there is a very real possibility that Jesslyn's friend may have been intoxicated at the time she was witnessing these things. Even if she wasn't, it wouldn't be uncommon for her to misremember certain details about that evening (such as the purse).

The man whom police believe to be responsible confessed to family members shortly before he died. He also worked at the bar she was last seen alive at. I'm assuming there was a prior connection between Jesslyn and this man, because the police interviewed him twice shortly after Jesslyn disappeared.

The big kicker is that the friend saw Jesslyn talking to this guy prior to her disappearing and when she couldn't find Jesslyn she says that she just "assumed" she went home with him. Doesn't seem to me like Jesslyn was deathly afraid of this guy (like it was implied in the UM segment).
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