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Old 01-16-2015, 09:00 AM   #61
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Maybe this is a controversial POV, but I think this is one of those instances where UM did their best to make things seem mysterious. For what its worth, this was one of my favorite stories as a kid, and I believed that the men survived.

As an adult though, I think the men probably drowned. The only evidence they survived were the phone calls which could easily be explained as a hoax or even a wrong number. The calls were in Spanish as I recall and no significant information was relayed.
This pretty much sums up how I feel.
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The reenactments of those phone calls still scare the hell out of me.
Yeah if I recall there was Creepy music on those too. All in all this was a creepy segment for me. I wonder how legit the phone calls were. If they were just random calls in Spanish then maybe there was some exaggeration. But if they said what was said in the segment that is a rude prank or creepy as hell.

I Went deep sea fishing off SC a couple of Weeks ago and saw a freighter out there. I thought about this segment because I just don't know how a freighter would spot people in the water unless they were bearing down on them. The maneuvering if true would be strange as well for a ship like that. All in all it would be very traumatic to be lost at sea like that.
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As new developments are happening with this case (new production company) looking into this cold case. I did a search not realizing how active this case still is after 26 years. I was 15 when my mom got the call. She is the sister to Nathan and Billy Joe. Billy Joe was like my brother instead of my uncle as he had lived with us for years while attending high school. This case broke my grandparents. Yes, there are a lot of questions you have and I assure you not all details were released during the filming or included. Why did he leave the raft? because they were not in the raft as it had holes, they were floating on a hatch lid and Nathan was a big man and everytime he would go to get on the lid (to keep the sharks away from them) he would sink it. It simply could not bare the weight of all of them. Franklin could not swim so he had to be on the hatch lid. Keith had leg cramps from kicking so hard(again because of the sharks). that left Nathan and Billy Joe to be in the water and take turns. they had tied themselves together with rope. Nathan left them thinking he would die to save them. And for the one who said they were only 10 miles off shore. They were about 90 miles off shore in international waters. After he clung to the bow of the boat that was bobbing in the water for over a day, the boat began to break apart, pieces began to float up and that is how he got in the bait box. he then drifted for days until he was found 20 miles off shore by another boat. To this day, he has medical problems caused from the salt water. Again, there are many details that were not allowed to be included but I can assure you most of you are wrong. This has been a tormenting 26 years for all of the family. we buried my grandparents with broken hearts that they never got to see them come home. Billy Joe had 3 sons, one he never got to see born. They are now in there 20's and never knew their father. My mom went to Cuba in search of them in the prisons. I assure you there are many Americans being held and our government knows this and does nothing. so many of you automatically assume the worst in everyone and that is your human nature, but we forgive those who think the worst and live our life daily with the holes that this has caused in our large close family. (72 just in the immediate family). Should something transpire I will try to update, but as of today, after the phone calls years ago from someone we think was trying to help them, we have nothing. please keep us in your prayers as we hold hope in God above to bring our boys home.
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As new developments are happening with this case (new production company) looking into this cold case. I did a search not realizing how active this case still is after 26 years. I was 15 when my mom got the call. She is the sister to Nathan and Billy Joe. Billy Joe was like my brother instead of my uncle as he had lived with us for years while attending high school. This case broke my grandparents. Yes, there are a lot of questions you have and I assure you not all details were released during the filming or included. Why did he leave the raft? because they were not in the raft as it had holes, they were floating on a hatch lid and Nathan was a big man and everytime he would go to get on the lid (to keep the sharks away from them) he would sink it. It simply could not bare the weight of all of them. Franklin could not swim so he had to be on the hatch lid. Keith had leg cramps from kicking so hard(again because of the sharks). that left Nathan and Billy Joe to be in the water and take turns. they had tied themselves together with rope. Nathan left them thinking he would die to save them. And for the one who said they were only 10 miles off shore. They were about 90 miles off shore in international waters. After he clung to the bow of the boat that was bobbing in the water for over a day, the boat began to break apart, pieces began to float up and that is how he got in the bait box. he then drifted for days until he was found 20 miles off shore by another boat. To this day, he has medical problems caused from the salt water. Again, there are many details that were not allowed to be included but I can assure you most of you are wrong. This has been a tormenting 26 years for all of the family. we buried my grandparents with broken hearts that they never got to see them come home. Billy Joe had 3 sons, one he never got to see born. They are now in there 20's and never knew their father. My mom went to Cuba in search of them in the prisons. I assure you there are many Americans being held and our government knows this and does nothing. so many of you automatically assume the worst in everyone and that is your human nature, but we forgive those who think the worst and live our life daily with the holes that this has caused in our large close family. (72 just in the immediate family). Should something transpire I will try to update, but as of today, after the phone calls years ago from someone we think was trying to help them, we have nothing. please keep us in your prayers as we hold hope in God above to bring our boys home.
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I second Meg's post. Thoughts and prayers are with you and cannot fathom the torment that the men endured at sea and for your family afterward. This is one of the most memorable cases for me and not in a fond way.
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If another tv show does an episode on this case, please let us know. I'd like to watch it!
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The Thinking Sideways podcast recently covered this case.

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Nathan should be rotting in prison. Either he murdered them on purpose, or he's responsible for killing them, and lied to avoid prosecution.

His story doesn't make sense. Those phone calls don't make sense, the boat's owner? Seriously? Not Nathan's wife? Not one of their parents? Weird.

Nathan stutters, and looks around so much he can't even keep his lie straight. That is the most unbelievable story I've ever heard. What a huge coincidence to leave the group despite their "warning", and you happen to find a nice spot to lay in.

Either he killed them on purpose, or on accident, but he's too much of a coward to tell the truth.
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Nathan stutters, and looks around so much he can't even keep his lie straight. That is the most unbelievable story I've ever heard. What a huge coincidence to leave the group despite their "warning", and you happen to find a nice spot to lay in.
Okay. I'll bite.

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Nathan should be rotting in prison. Either he murdered them on purpose, or he's responsible for killing them, and lied to avoid prosecution.

His story doesn't make sense. Those phone calls don't make sense, the boat's owner? Seriously? Not Nathan's wife? Not one of their parents? Weird.

Nathan stutters, and looks around so much he can't even keep his lie straight. That is the most unbelievable story I've ever heard. What a huge coincidence to leave the group despite their "warning", and you happen to find a nice spot to lay in.

Either he killed them on purpose, or on accident, but he's too much of a coward to tell the truth.
You are aware that there was a huge risk that Nathan wouldn't be discovered out at sea, right?
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Okay. I'll bite.

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What he displayed wasn't PTSD, it was lying. When talking about certain parts of his story such as a ship stopping every 2, or 3 seconds to pick-up his possible shipmates he starts stuttering, and looking around. He does this when he talks about questionable parts of his story, he was pulling the story out of his ass as he was going along. That must mean Larry Gibson, and Gabriel Carillo have PTSD then.


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You are aware that there was a huge risk that Nathan wouldn't be discovered out at sea, right?
Yes. That doesn't mean that he sunk the ship, and killed them on accident. His story doesn't make sense, and neither do the phone calls. I don't have a motive why he'd kill them on purpose, but I'm positive it was an accident, but he didn't want to get convicted. I'm not swayed by his tears, and nonsensical story.
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I think the ship was going down, and in an act of cowardice, he jumped off to save his own skin, but didn't bother to check or save the others. Fight, or flight, I guess.

Him leaving the others to go to the hull to get help makes zero sense. You'd risk leaving your brother, and nephew in the middle of the ocean instead of having them paddle with you? No. Then on top of that, how would swimming miles to a destroyed ship by yourself would get help?

The only truth to his story was the fact that he left the others to save himself, but not in the way he said. He didn't veer that far off from the boat, he probably didn't leave at all. He didn't look like he was in the best of shape to have swam that long without passing out.

I think the boat was going down (foul play, or accident), he didn't bother saving anyone else, he jumped to save his own neck, and got in the hull.
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I think the ship was going down, and in an act of cowardice, he jumped off to save his own skin, but didn't bother to check or save the others. Fight, or flight, I guess.

Him leaving the others to go to the hull to get help makes zero sense. You'd risk leaving your brother, and nephew in the middle of the ocean instead of having them paddle with you? No. Then on top of that, how would swimming miles to a destroyed ship by yourself would get help?

The only truth to his story was the fact that he left the others to save himself, but not in the way he said. He didn't veer that far off from the boat, he probably didn't leave at all. He didn't look like he was in the best of shape to have swam that long without passing out.

I think the boat was going down (foul play, or accident), he didn't bother saving anyone else, he jumped to save his own neck, and got in the hull.
I'll bite the hook as well. why not.


yes he saved his own skin and the poor guy has survival guilt. that was my take. does it really matter if his account is not 100% to your liking? I don't think it does. whether he was swimming 50 meters or 50 NMs what's the difference? the guy suffered a terrible tragedy and lost his mates. Nothing suggests that he is a murderer and should rot in prison as you started with.

so unless you are just dropping 2euce in the pot to stir it I don't see where you are going with this at all. saving your own skin is a big jump from murder and accident prison time etc.
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I think the ship was going down, and in an act of cowardice, he jumped off to save his own skin, but didn't bother to check or save the others. Fight, or flight, I guess.
I'm assuming you hold Henry Rollins responsible for the murder of Joe Cole as well? Or the parishioners in the Harold & Thelma Swain segment? Or Shirley, the cleaning products lady in the Dana Satterfield segment? Or the neighbors in the Crystal Spencer segment?
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