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Old 01-08-2017, 11:00 PM   #136
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Conspiracies are always fun to talk about. But a conspiracy of this level is simply IMPOSSIBLE to keep secret and for so long. No way.

It was Oswald and he acted alone. Now whether his real target was JFK or JC that can be another discussion.
What do you mean keep secret? People have been talking since the day it happens. Oswald, ruby, police officers, FBI men. All kinds of people talked. Some were murdered. Others not taken seriously
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oh my that is a point that many conspiracy theorists love to overlook. They will create new dots to trace, but bypass the ones that were already there.

the police were already on his trail that early in the investigation and he kills a cop in defense to escape from his action. For those that are not aware the movie theatre that he was at is not so close to downtown either. IIRC it is easily a 20 min drive today with traffic, but back then may have been faster to navigate. if he were innocent he would have had no reason to kill an officer like that being that far away from the crime scene.

As for Oswald I do think he was trying to make something of himself and chose that strange path. he may have succeeded at killing our president, but he still failed in the sense that so many think he was not capable of carrying out the crime...the irony.
Oswald was not innocent. He was part of the plan. He did not realize he was tha patsy at first but when he did he panicked. It amazing how much information and evidence people will ignore and call it all conspiracy
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Oswald was not innocent. He was part of the plan. He did not realize he was tha patsy at first but when he did he panicked. It amazing how much information and evidence people will ignore and call it all conspiracy

having grown up in North Texas...I've heard just about everything on JFK. and it is my personal opinion that he acted alone and while it is not 100% clear...it is very possible that he did act alone based on the evidence that we have to go off. now RFK I am not as sure about. I do see how that clouds the JFK outlook. indeed not a conspiracy we agree there I think..

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Every single claim that conspiracy theorists have pointed to (2nd gunman, Oswald part of a larger conspiracy, etc.) has been debunked. Oswald acted alone.
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Every single claim that conspiracy theorists have pointed to (2nd gunman, Oswald part of a larger conspiracy, etc.) has been debunked. Oswald acted alone.
Debunked by what? How? If Oswald was just some loner then what's he doing in Russia? What's he doing in Mexico trying to get into Cuba? What's he doing hanging around with wealthy people who were later proven to be CIA operatives?
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Debunked by what? How? If Oswald was just some loner then what's he doing in Russia? What's he doing in Mexico trying to get into Cuba? What's he doing hanging around with wealthy people who were later proven to be CIA operatives?
Also wonder why the FBI questioned him for hours. Did they suspect him of planning foul play or were recruiting him for some?
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Debunked by what? How? If Oswald was just some loner then what's he doing in Russia? What's he doing in Mexico trying to get into Cuba? What's he doing hanging around with wealthy people who were later proven to be CIA operatives?
Maybe deep down, Oswald was a wannabe-assassin who went over his own head to the point of insanity. He desperately wanted to fight in some sort of war or cause a major international incident but as his previous efforts were faltering, he saw a chance at proving his own worth to potential underground employers for his services by executing the president.
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Also wonder why the FBI questioned him for hours. Did they suspect him of planning foul play or were recruiting him for some?
Very good point and why was he questioned for over 10 hours while in custody with no notes taken and no recording made. Odd huh
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Maybe deep down, Oswald was a wannabe-assassin who went over his own head to the point of insanity. He desperately wanted to fight in some sort of war or cause a major international incident but as his previous efforts were faltering, he saw a chance at proving his own worth to potential underground employers for his services by executing the president.
Nah Oswald was being controlled and he was being funded. When he went to Russia he was following orders, when he tried to get into Cuba (most likely as part of Castro assasniation plot) he was following orders. They were making Oswald from day one as well as others like him. I don't think he knew he was gonna be the fall guy for the assasination of JFK and when he realized he panicked and killed tippit. He then went to the theater as he knew the plan was for him not o survive the day. Hard to kill him in crowded theater. But they still managed to get him. They had no choice. He could not be allowed o survive and talk. It would have completely unraveled the power structure in this country.
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Also wonder why the FBI questioned him for hours. Did they suspect him of planning foul play or were recruiting him for some?
Very good point and why was he questioned for over 10 hours while in custody with no notes taken and no recording made. Odd huh
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Back when I first became interested, around the time of the 10th anniversary, my dad told me if Kennedy had immediately ducked after the first shot (which hit him--one of the three shots missed--), he might have been saved, but he could not do so--Dad said because of his back brace. Medical people have argued about this, saying the neck wound was so serious, Kennedy could not have spoken, and that the clutching at his throat was an involuntary nerve reaction and not him actually being able to reach for his throat. If you can stand to watch the Zapruder film frame by frame, you will see in the short time Jackie realized he was hurt and reached towards him, if she would have grabbed and pushed or pulled him down sideways, regardless of whether he could have bent forward, he would have either lived, or made a much better condition corpse!
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When he went to the ER, they focused on giving him a tracheotomy 1st, and didn't even look at his head wound for several minutes. IIRC, it seems he would have probably survived the first shot.

Supposedly he was in a back brace in Dallas because he aggravated his perpetually sore back by tripping while chasing women at a pool.
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some people really really want this to be a conspiracy.

still don't buy it. but to each his own.
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If it wasn't a cover up, then they botched the investigation badly by destroying evidence (the limo windshield), etc.

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The “lone nut” theory has the shots striking JFK from behind. Eight doctors on the Parkland staff described frontal wounds while on record. A bullet wound in the front of JFK’s throat was even enlarged in order to put in a breathing tube. A massive blowout of head wound was noted by doctors along with FBI agent Frank O’ Neal and Secret Service agent Clint Hill. Hill would later describe how the rear portion of the President’s brain was missing as it was lying in the limo after JFK was whisked into the emergency room. Hill was pressured to change his story at later testimonials.
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It was the findings of this autopsy that created issues with the “official” story. Three doctors at Bethesda, along with a photographer described seeing the same massive head wound as the doctors in Dallas saw. These wounds disappeared somehow by the time the official x-ray and autopsy photos were taken however.
The FBI’s report even notes “surgery” being performed on JFK’s skull prior to the x-rays and autopsy photos being taken. X-ray technician Ed Reed and mortician Tom Robinson later confirmed they saw the surgery being performed. This would suggest then that the medical personnel at Bethesda were the participants in hiding an exit wound and crafting a body that would best serve the “official” story. Either that or all the doctors, nurses, Secret Service, federal agents and other random witnesses to history are simply wrong.
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One of the facts of the assassination that is rarely brought up is the location of LHO. If you examine the entire route that JFK took, where Oswald was in the depository is the most perfect place to make the shots he made. Someone other than Oswald surmised that there was only 1 perfect place to pull something like this off. No other spot along the route afforded such a precise angle to make the shots he is credited with making. That begs the question, who facilitated Oswald? For someone who was labeled by the government as a pathetic loser who couldn't hold down a job, he sure did a hell of a job making sure he was in the one and only spot to make the greatest sniper kill in history.

Am I the only one who found it very odd that someone like him would purposely pose with his new rifle and newspapers to prove the date the picture was taken on? That's what a lot of educated people would call foreshadowing. Oswald did not have the intellect for something like that. No, He was a pawn. That was proven by Jacob Rubenstein. Anyone that doesn't think that Rubenstein wasn't sent to kill Oswald is a stone cold fool. He gained access to the police department the very night Oswald was arrested. How did he know Oswald was Guilty? How was he 100% positive the next day that he gained access yet again to such a heavily guarded location involving local, state and federal lawmen?

Not only those questions, but why the Italian rifle? A piece of garbage rifle that malfunctioned more than it fired? Where is the logic in that? Was it the hope of the puppet masters that giving Oswald such an unreliable rifle would scare and wake up people without actually killing anyone? On top of that, where was Oswald practicing his marksmanship? He was an average shooter while a Marine years earlier. In order to make those shots he would have had to gotten some range time under his belt. There is no mention of that anywhere. The closest they came to touching that subject is that they blamed him for trying to shoot and kill General Edwin Walker. So, Oswald missed a stationary target in Walker, who was sitting at his desk in his home, but hits a moving target multiple times? That in itself is absurd. To believe this one if forced to believe that since he was unable to hit a stationary target, he better practice a lot more before he attempts to hit a moving target this size of a head. Where did he get all that practice under his belt in the month and weeks leading up to the big kill?

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