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Old 04-24-2018, 03:22 PM   #76
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Not to armchair Quarterback, but... I'm about to armchair quarterback:

Their chances of a freaking conviction in this matter was way better, you know, when the other two co-defendants were alive. All this guy has to do to get acquitted (in my opinion) is keep his damn mouth shut and/or blame the other two-- they're dead. They can't defend themselves like they could if they had charged the case when all three (or at least two of them) were alive.

I need to re-read the affidavit, but it seems to me that things could have been followed up on before both co-defendants died. I'm sure the Freeman/Bible family are happy to have some answers, but I would want an explanation for why it took so dang long. And I'd want a good one.

I'd want answers as to why that box of evidence was sitting in the Sheriff's office and only turned over when a new one took office.
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Not to armchair Quarterback, but... I'm about to armchair quarterback:

Their chances of a freaking conviction in this matter was way better, you know, when the other two co-defendants were alive. All this guy has to do to get acquitted (in my opinion) is keep his damn mouth shut and/or blame the other two-- they're dead. They can't defend themselves like they could if they had charged the case when all three (or at least two of them) were alive.

I need to re-read the affidavit, but it seems to me that things could have been followed up on before both co-defendants died. I'm sure the Freeman/Bible family are happy to have some answers, but I would want an explanation for why it took so dang long. And I'd want a good one.
Things could've absolutely been followed up on, well before the others died. One of the investigators says, in the affidavit, that law enforcement told him to stop investigating, because he was "interfering," or they'd pull his license. The way this affidavit reads, he and the other PI were there only ones actually doing any investigating until like 2013 or so.
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We could use a little levity, considering!

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So the parents are involved in drugs? I mean one of the main theories was that the dad was involved in drugs but not both of them


Honestly what happened seems very close to the theories brought about here
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Default Update: 12 people withheld evidence on this case for years !

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Private Investigators Allegedly Told To Stop Investigating the Case

Throughout the interviews, the OSBI and DA investigators learned a private investigative team had also begun an investigation immediately following the incident.

Joe Dugan, a private investigator living in Miami, OK, and his partner Tom Pryor had interviewed several people and discovered one of Welch's ex-girlfriends' car insurance verification form near the Freeman's burned down house.

The vehicle the insurance card was registered to was thought to be the car the men were driving when they kidnapped the girls.

When the OSBI/DA team went looking for the Dugan and Pryor, they discovered Dugan had died in 2009.

Pryor told them Dugan's family tried to give the files on the Freeman case to the Craig County Sheriff's Office, but that the sheriff's office refused to take them at the time.

Eventually the family destroyed the records.

Pryor also said he was told by law enforcement to stop investigating the case.
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What a botched job LE did in this case.
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Some of these 12 people mentioned in the article may have come forth. The jail house snitches who came forth a year or two after the crime claimed to have been at a party at a meth house on New Yearís Eve where the girls were being held captive. They claimed there was a video tape. Maybe their account was truthful.
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Does anyone think Jeremy Jones could have been involved in some way or known what happened to the girls?

Jones claimed he went to the Freeman house to collect drug money for a man named Charlie. But he ended up killing the parents and kidnapping the girls. Jones was arrested 10 miles away from the residence the night of the murders on other charges. He wouldn’t have had time to kill the Freemans, set the fire, kidnap the girls, kill them, and dispose of their bodies.

Is it possible he knew the guys who were responsible and knew what happened? The accused made/sold methampetamine and Jones used meth. Jones said their bodies were put in a well and news articles are reporting the girls were disposed of in ‘a pit in Pilcher.’ The name Charlie doesn’t match up, but it’s easy to see why he’d lie about that. Jones’ story sounds similar to what probably happened.
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I'm getting more and more angry reading the latest news articles on this.

This sort of reminds me of the Michigan hunters murders from 1985 and the fact that the terrible human beings who killed them spent almost another two decades free despite years and years of bragging to the locals about the horrible things they had done...all through threats of intimidation.

Here's a complete timeline from the night of the fire until now....

http://www.tulsaworld.com/photovideo...f59eb2.html#22
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I'm getting more and more angry reading the latest news articles on this.

This sort of reminds me of the Michigan hunters murders from 1985 and the fact that the terrible human beings who killed them spent almost another two decades free despite years and years of bragging to the locals about the horrible things they had done...all through threats of intimidation.

Here's a complete timeline from the night of the fire until now....

http://www.tulsaworld.com/photovideo...f59eb2.html#22
Thanks for posting the timeline. I couldnít find any articles from 2001-2002 that mentioned the jailhouse informant. The timeline says the informantís info led LE to search the home of Paul Glover. He hasnít been mentioned in any of the updates, so maybe the jailhouse tip(s) were just coincidentally similar to what actually happened.

The informant(s) and Jeremy Jones confession were discussed in an old True Crime Garage poscast episode, and I think their research was usually reliable.

Details are coming out in this case that make LE look functionally challenged. I think similar details will one day come out in the Jameson family deaths. I would hate to go missing or be the victim in an unexplained death in OK.

I read the book about the MI hunters. It was repulsive the way those brothers were able to run the community for years. Living in a neighborhood and being terrorized by someone like that is a secret fear of mine. But the victims werenít very sympathetic characters after I read the book (of course the didnít deserve their fate, regardless of their behaviors).
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Law enforcement may have done their job poorly but lets not forget the main people to blame. The parents. Their dabbling in drugs got their daughter and another girl killed. They were scum
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Law enforcement may have done their job poorly but lets not forget the main people to blame. The parents. Their dabbling in drugs got their daughter and another girl killed. They were scum
I think the main people to blame are the killers.

Do we know if Kathy Freeman was involved with drugs?

But, yes, I agree Danny Freeman should bear some of the blame for having meth dealers around his family (if that is what happened).
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I think the main people to blame are the killers.

Do we know if Kathy Freeman was involved with drugs?

But, yes, I agree Danny Freeman should bear some of the blame for having meth dealers around his family (if that is what happened).

The blame lies 100% with the killers, not the parents.
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