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Old 06-26-2018, 12:50 PM   #61
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Frontera's problems with corruption and drugs had been made public by several guards who testified about them, not just Betty Thompson. Although the Terry Lucas saga seems to come just from Betty.

Part of the article snippet shown on the UM segment mentions another prison guard by the name of Kovacs, who was raped by a guard at Frontera. She was allegedly ordered by Frontera personnel never to report this assault or she would be "taken care of." Sound familiar? According to Kovacs, the threats shook her so much that she had to take a leave from her job, losing her house and car as a result. She also said the constant death threats drove her to the brink of suicide. She was quoted as saying officers NEVER report other officers but she testified anyway alongside Betty Thompson and four other Frontera guards.

Even if you poke holes in Betty's story about Terry Lucas, the corruption at Frontera was apparently a real problem throughout the 1980's, verified by AT LEAST several people who worked there. The accused people were not above threatening anyone who crossed them or had the balls to stand up to them. That's why I believe they were responsible for that shooting incident of Betty in her own driveway.

As far as Jesslyn Rich goes, even if her death ended up being completely unrelated to Frontera and she had not been killed that night (weekend?) she disappeared, I still think her life would have been in danger from the various folks at Frontera.
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I can't see that getting past their researchers though. Stack narrated the gunshot, she described the officer at her home and noting in his report the threatening phone call she received. If there was no report they would have found that out with relative ease.
As we know UM often cherry picked the facts to push a certain angle while leaving out other views or editing them. Was there any confirmation from the police officer in question this happened? What happened in the aftermath? Somebody alleging death threats at work & at home would surely have their phone or phones at home wired to trace incoming calls-did this happen? Were video cameras installed? Why did nothing else happen? After all the warning was supposedly to keep quiet or next time they wouldn't miss, yet in the ensuing 4 years plus until UM aired the segment she was obviously not being quiet. Is it really beyond the realms of possibility that the call if it happened while the cop was there was not a wrong number or somebody else she asked to call at that time who was in on it?
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Who's to say it had anything to do with Frontera? Remember the bike shop where Chad Maurer worked at was shot up shortly after his disappearance and death, but it was later determined to have no connection with his case.
Yep, I have wondered what that was all about.
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Frontera's problems with corruption and drugs had been made public by several guards who testified about them, not just Betty Thompson. Although the Terry Lucas saga seems to come just from Betty.

Part of the article snippet shown on the UM segment mentions another prison guard by the name of Kovacs, who was raped by a guard at Frontera. She was allegedly ordered by Frontera personnel never to report this assault or she would be "taken care of." Sound familiar? According to Kovacs, the threats shook her so much that she had to take a leave from her job, losing her house and car as a result. She also said the constant death threats drove her to the brink of suicide. She was quoted as saying officers NEVER report other officers but she testified anyway alongside Betty Thompson and four other Frontera guards.

Even if you poke holes in Betty's story about Terry Lucas, the corruption at Frontera was apparently a real problem throughout the 1980's, verified by AT LEAST several people who worked there. The accused people were not above threatening anyone who crossed them or had the balls to stand up to them. That's why I believe they were responsible for that shooting incident of Betty in her own driveway.

As far as Jesslyn Rich goes, even if her death ended up being completely unrelated to Frontera and she had not been killed that night (weekend?) she disappeared, I still think her life would have been in danger from the various folks at Frontera.
So again we have somebody being told not to report this incident or else, yet she ends up telling a show being shown worldwide at some point & like Thompson never reported this to the governor of the jail, go over their head or tell the police, happy to lose her home & vehicle in the process.

What exactly happened with this testimony? I cannot find any record of anybody being convicted. Lt Karmen Juarez was supposed to be standing trial according to newspaper reports from the summer of 1991, but there is nothing said about any conviction or what happened to here-the reports say she had been put on paid leave after the death of Lucas for 3 years-when exactly was Thompson no longer working at the jail? There are so many details missing in this case.

I suspect that Rich was simply the victim of a predator, why if she was so scared of somebody coming in would she go out the back to meet them? Why would her friend not even turn her head to see what the hell she was looking at? The waitress says she left by the front, her friends say they only became concerned when she hadn't returned from the bathroom for 30 minutes! Something doesn't add up with their story & you would have to consider them potential suspects, of course she might have gone outside to smoke & just fell prey to a rapist/killer through bad timing-as we have seen on UM & other crime shows it happens a lot.

Why on earth would anybody from the jail trying to keep things hush-hush follow her to a bar when she is out with other people & risk being seen, when they could just pick her off at her home in the dead of night?
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Somebody alleging death threats at work & at home would surely have their phone or phones at home wired to trace incoming calls-did this happen? Were video cameras installed?

It's a known fact that the anti-stalking and harassment laws have never been sufficiently adequate to offer protection to the victims, especially women and back then.

If she could afford an expensive video surveillance system in the late 80s she wouldn't have had to be working as a prison guard in the first place.
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If she could afford an expensive video surveillance system in the late 80s she wouldn't have had to be working as a prison guard in the first place.
Indeed. Very few people would be able to afford a video surveillance system on their house in the 80's unless they had the luxury of money to burn.

Even tracing phone calls in the 1980's was a complicated ordeal. Wiring your phone, the caller would have to remain on the line for multiple minutes before the call could even be traced. If he/she hung up quickly, as most threatening calls do, you were out of luck.
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