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Old 12-01-2010, 03:30 AM   #31
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Nathan was found only 10 miles off the coast and yes Id be wondering what drug runners would be doing in that close. I just watched this again and it all makes sense until Nathan leaves his freinds who are floating on the cargo door. He stated that he told the others that he had seen the ships hull and was gonna try to get back to it to get some kind of help.

This makes no sense. You just left the boat beacuse it was sinking so what is going back to it going to accomplish?? How are you going to get help by going back to a sinking boat? And if you thought going back to the boat would somehow help your situation then why not have everyone paddle over there on the door they where floating on?? I just dont get it.

And Im wondering if the boat was ever found and what exactly made it sink in the first place? Anyone know?
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Old 01-03-2011, 01:48 AM   #32
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I believe Nathan's story. But my concern is the part where he leaves his friends. There is power in numbers. I believe they were captured by some drug smugglers or that even Nathan and his friends may have been involved doing something illegal out there. Nathan somehow gets away and it is just assumed he would be lost at sea. But this is why I might think the whole "lost at sea" is far fetched for his friends. You just don't leave your friends under any circumstance and it makes me wonder if Nathan knew something they didn't.
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Old 01-04-2011, 06:44 AM   #33
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I believe Nathan's story. But my concern is the part where he leaves his friends. There is power in numbers. I believe they were captured by some drug smugglers or that even Nathan and his friends may have been involved doing something illegal out there. Nathan somehow gets away and it is just assumed he would be lost at sea. But this is why I might think the whole "lost at sea" is far fetched for his friends. You just don't leave your friends under any circumstance and it makes me wonder if Nathan knew something they didn't.
Leaving his friends was a little unusual. I'm not sure what going back to the ship would have accomplished. Perhaps Nathan thought he would take his chances by swimming for help? It's also possible he felt that his friends had a better chance of surviving without him in the raft that was damaged. In any case, there really isn't a basis to investigate those details in my opinion. Even if one wanted to be suspicious there is nothing that could really be said or speculated based on the available information.
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:31 AM   #34
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While I'm sure that the families would like to believe that their loved ones are alive, that's probably not the case in this situation. Drug dealers would simply have no reason to keep the men alive after all of this time.

Also, I think that the phone calls were a cruel hoax. There would no reason that a caller would have risked his life multiple times to call the family member and then not leave a message of any significance.
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While I'm sure that the families would like to believe that their loved ones are alive, that's probably not the case in this situation. Drug dealers would simply have no reason to keep the men alive after all of this time.

Also, I think that the phone calls were a cruel hoax. There would no reason that a caller would have risked his life multiple times to call the family member and then not leave a message of any significance.
I agree with that. Sick people do this crap all the time in these missing person cases. They seem to like the attention.
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Old 02-23-2011, 07:15 PM   #36
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I just saw this segment today. I've seen it before too a number of times.

My question is this: The owner of the boat and the family were getting phone calls from someone speaking Spanish. The caller called on a number of occasions. After the second time the caller called, did the family or the boat's owner make any effort to learn Spanish?
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Old 02-24-2011, 01:16 AM   #37
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I just saw this segment today. I've seen it before too a number of times.

My question is this: The owner of the boat and the family were getting phone calls from someone speaking Spanish. The caller called on a number of occasions. After the second time the caller called, did the family or the boat's owner make any effort to learn Spanish?
Apparntley not
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Old 03-31-2011, 05:50 PM   #38
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It would not surprise me they were involved in or witnessed illegal activity and the one guy that survived isn't talking.
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Old 05-10-2011, 06:15 PM   #39
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Some of u guys are ruthless! lol .......

I definitely don't think Nathan was directly involved in any way. Its hard for me to believe Nathan would risk his own life in such a torturous way, to be out at sea with no food or water or proper floating device in the burning sun for four days, to cover up the murders of his family members and close friend. Its too far fetched. The fact that he lived to tell the tale is miraculous in itself.

There is a possibility that Nathan and his friends were involved in some kind of illegal activity and met with foul play. To which Nathan was the only one who got away. Without more facts, its hard to prove this. Nathan might not want to implicate himself and left this part out of the story. If this were the case, then mystery solved, case closed. It was a drug deal or whatever deal gone bad.

The mysterious phone calls are a whole other story. I have nothing on those. The only plausible assumption i can make is prank calls. However Nathan did say he saw a boat stop around the area where he last saw his friends. So its a possibility they were captured and the calls were somehow linked to there whereabouts. Its a long shot, but i can't rule that out entirely.

Interesting story.

Finally, thanks to Nathan's daughter for sharing her story. I'm sorry for the pain and suffering that this tragic event has caused your family. God Bless.

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Old 05-11-2011, 09:41 AM   #40
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I agree. After seeing people question Jeremy's story in the Tom Johnson thread and then this one I've come to realize some people on this board will question and/or see a lie in EVERYTHING. While I suppose thats a healthy outlook in investigating it scares me that some of you people might serve on juries. I never once imagined Nathan making up his story and 10 miles off coast is not like 10 miles on the freeway, its a considerable distance on the open sea. And if it doesn't make sense dor drug runners to be there I would counter by saying they don't have to be drug runners to be bad guys.
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Does anyone know if the Casie Nicole was recovered? if it wasn't then one theory could be that Nathan's brother needed to disappear possibly to get insurance money, he takes his son with him to live a new life somewhere the friend who disappeared possibly had similar reasons to disappear but they need a witness to claim they've died so they ask Nathan to arrange a boat trip, they shelter for three days then go out at night to the alleged sinking site nathan climbs in to the bait box they then chuck the hatch cover overboard and damage the life raft and sail to a port some miles away rename the boat and get a replacment hatch cover.

Also did anyone hear the mayday calls? I know that if I was on a boat and it started to sink I wouldn't leave it until it disappeared under the waves even if I was in a liferaft.

Another point is if what he says is true the freighter that Nathan saw may have just been checking the debris for survivors and the crew by then might already be dead.
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I agree. After seeing people question Jeremy's story in the Tom Johnson thread and then this one I've come to realize some people on this board will question and/or see a lie in EVERYTHING. While I suppose thats a healthy outlook in investigating it scares me that some of you people might serve on juries. I never once imagined Nathan making up his story and 10 miles off coast is not like 10 miles on the freeway, its a considerable distance on the open sea. And if it doesn't make sense dor drug runners to be there I would counter by saying they don't have to be drug runners to be bad guys.
You put into words some thoughts that I have been having recently but didn't quite know how to express in writing. I agree wholeheartedly. It appears that there is a disturbing trend these days in which people would rather "short circuit" a story and come up with a simple explanation that "the whole story is a lie/hoax" rather than look closely at the available evidence and use that to form a sound conclusion.

Maybe our attention spans just aren't what they used to be. I don't know the exact cause, but this thread, the Wacker thread, the "Tom Johnson" thread and the Angela Hammond thread are rife with this "revisionist" thinking.

The sad/stupid part about about such thinking is that the majority of those theories were probably put to rest by law enforcement within days of beginning the investigation twenty plus years ago. Since UM/LE never had to "prove" the stories were true back then, people use this as a springboard for all kinds of wild and unprovable assumptions.
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Two things from me.

1. I kind of doubt drug smugglers would be that close to the coast of the United States. Which brings me to something that was never brought up: Why didn't they look into finding out what that ship Nathan saw was doing there and where it was going? I mean there has to be records of ships in the area for that day. Unless of course it was some really daring smugglers, which I doubt given how big of a ship it was.

2. I wonder why Nathan's daughter never bothered to give us an update on the case after all these years. Maybe she was so mad by the accusations that were being made about her father that she only felt like clearing his name....so good going on that one guys with all your theories
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The only people that truly know what really happened are Nathan, his friends and family that dissappeared, and God. (Not that I'm trying to start a debate on religion.)

On paper you have to admit it could go either way with Nathan's guilt or innocence with the events that happened. since there isn't any concrete answer for either one. I'm really not sure what to believe.
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If these calls came frequently, I'm sort of sorry that no one learned enough basic Spanish to talk to the man. Maybe they couldn't understand everything, but a couple of weeks of spanish might have helped them to say, "Quien es Usted?" Who are you? or "Que Paso?" What happened? I guess you can live with a tape recorder, but given the circumstances, it's really sad that the information wasn't able to be retrieved because of a language barrier.

Perhaps these were guys who found the bodies and were able to tell where they came from from their identification. Maybe they were afraid to come forward in the end because of foul play. I hope this episode ran in Spanish so that perhaps someone who knows about it or the caller himself could understand .
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