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Old 04-23-2018, 04:15 PM   #46
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Well this is certainly a surprise...to me at least. I'm somewhat embarrassed to admit that while I've been following this case for years, I eventually became one of those people who started to wonder if maybe the girls perished in the fire and were just never discovered.

As horrific and tragic as this outcome is, I hope the evidence that LE has is absolutely conclusive so that the remaining family will finally have some answers. My heartfelt sympathies to the families.
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I swear to God, if it turns out law enforcement didn't actually investigate the s*** they had in their own files....

This could've potentially been solved YEARS ago, before the culprits were dead. Maybe even before the girls were dead (but that's kinda doubtful at this point).

I need to rewatch this when I get home. The conflict with the Freemans and the Sheriff was over the PD's killing of the Freeman's son, was that tied in with the drugs? Did they cover this up / look the other way?

I have questions.
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Old 04-23-2018, 05:06 PM   #48
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The previously named suspect is now in custody.

http://kfor.com/2018/04/23/suspect-i...ng-since-1999/
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Old 04-23-2018, 07:14 PM   #49
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A little more specific info about the rediscovered evidence (source: http://www.joplinglobe.com/news/upda...2e59192d8.html):

"According to a 30-page affidavit handed out at today's news conference, the investigation took a fresh turn with the rediscovery of some evidence in possession of the Craig County Sheriff's Office pertaining to an insurance card that was found at the scene of the crime. The card belonged to a woman who was once a girlfriend of Welch. Interviews and re-interviews with her led to the development of Welch, Pennington and Busick as suspects in the case.

Through the woman, authorities found other witnesses, primarily additional women who were girlfriends at one time to Welch and Pennington, who allegedly said they heard the suspects indicating their involvement in the Freeman murders and the abduction of the girls.

The witnesses indicated that the girls had been held in a house in Picher, where Welch at one time lived, and that some Polaroid photos had been taken of them duct-taped to chairs and lying on a bed together with their hands and feet bound. The witnesses also allegedly heard the suspects talking about the crime and about how the girls had been raped and tortured."

Just the most awful thing imaginable...I almost would have preferred not knowing. Prayers to their poor families.

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A little more specific info about the rediscovered evidence (source: http://www.joplinglobe.com/news/upda...2e59192d8.html):

"According to a 30-page affidavit handed out at today's news conference, the investigation took a fresh turn with the rediscovery of some evidence in possession of the Craig County Sheriff's Office pertaining to an insurance card that was found at the scene of the crime. The card belonged to a woman who was once a girlfriend of Welch. Interviews and re-interviews with her led to the development of Welch, Pennington and Busick as suspects in the case.

Through the woman, authorities found other witnesses, primarily additional women who were girlfriends at one time to Welch and Pennington, who allegedly said they heard the suspects indicating their involvement in the Freeman murders and the abduction of the girls.

The witnesses indicated that the girls had been held in a house in Picher, where Welch at one time lived, and that some Polaroid photos had been taken of them duct-taped to chairs and lying on a bed together with their hands and feet bound. The witnesses also allegedly heard the suspects talking about the crime and about how the girls had been raped and tortured."

Just the most awful thing imaginable...I almost would have preferred not knowing. Prayers to their poor families.

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So, the evidence that had never been investigated was actually found AT THE SCENE, and then was suddenly found again in police files in December. And lo and behold, four months after they "find" it, they have one of the perps in custody, with charges.

This REALLY makes it sound like there was some incredibly sloppy police work. And if that's the case, I hope like hell there is a lawsuit or some kind of charges that go with THAT part of it.
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That, plus the people who have apparently known all along what supposedly happened and never came forward...just the lowest of the low.

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That, plus the people who have apparently known all along what supposedly happened and never came forward...just the lowest of the low.

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Absolutely.
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So, the evidence that had never been investigated was actually found AT THE SCENE, and then was suddenly found again in police files in December. And lo and behold, four months after they "find" it, they have one of the perps in custody, with charges.

This REALLY makes it sound like there was some incredibly sloppy police work. And if that's the case, I hope like hell there is a lawsuit or some kind of charges that go with THAT part of it.

So the question now is whether this was found before or after they turned the case over to the OSBI and if they included it. Given the active feud between the Sheriff's office and the Freemans this is suspect as all hell.
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So investigators have the polaroid pictures or have they just talked to people that have seen the pictures?

Given how bad the cops muffed this thing I'm kind of worried they won't have enough to get an indictment, considering the girls' bodies haven't been found.
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Always felt the answer lied in the families activities-shame those poor girls suffered because of the parents drug addiction/ripping off dealers.
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According to a 30-page affidavit handed out at today's news conference, the investigation took a fresh turn with the rediscovery of some evidence in possession of the Craig County Sheriff's Office pertaining to an insurance card that was found at the scene of the crime. The card belonged to a woman who was once a girlfriend of Welch. Interviews and re-interviews with her led to the development of Welch, Pennington and Busick as suspects in the case.

Through the woman, authorities found other witnesses, primarily additional women who were girlfriends at one time to Welch and Pennington, who allegedly said they heard the suspects indicating their involvement in the Freeman murders and the abduction of the girls.

The witnesses indicated that the girls had been held in a house in Picher, where Welch at one time lived, and that some Polaroid photos had been taken of them duct-taped to chairs and lying on a bed together with their hands and feet bound. The witnesses also allegedly heard the suspects talking about the crime and about how the girls had been raped and tortured.
Yikes. My question is, how did these guys know the Freemans? Was it a random crime? Were they stalking the girls? Were they drug dealers who were after the father and just took the girls on a whim?
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Yikes. My question is, how did these guys know the Freemans? Was it a random crime? Were they stalking the girls? Were they drug dealers who were after the father and just took the girls on a whim?
Multiple people told investigators that both Welch and Pennington been dealt methamphetamine, according to the affidavit. One person reportedly told investigators that Pennington had said that Freeman and Bible had entered a room where the Freeman parents were buying drugs on the night of the crime.

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Well this is certainly a surprise...to me at least. I'm somewhat embarrassed to admit that while I've been following this case for years, I eventually became one of those people who started to wonder if maybe the girls perished in the fire and were just never discovered.
Not possible. Human bones will not disintegrate completely in a house fire (especially in the modern fire-proofing era). You need temps of around 1400F to achieve that. Investigators would have definitely found skeletal remains.

This is why I always knew the girls left the scene, and I'd always suspected they were taken as "loot" by some sickos. I never bought the "voluntarily disappeared" theory because there's no way they could remain anonymous this long, especially in the Internet age. And, for forensic reasons, I never believed they died in the fire.
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That, plus the people who have apparently known all along what supposedly happened and never came forward...just the lowest of the low.

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Probably through fear-it seems witnesses have been threatened.
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From everything I'm reading, the police did not see or find the polaroid photos, it's just that they've heard people talk about seeing them. I don't want to sound like a pessimist, but it kind of reminds me of the Ellender case where the "witnesses" claim to have seen a video tape of the murder (which never surfaced). I'm also confused as to why the alleged motive for the crime was the 2 girls simply walking in on their parents buying drugs. That motive just doesn't make any sense.
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