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Old 03-07-2018, 04:23 PM   #16
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I know in the back of my mind posting about Mary aging would upset some, but I am being realistic and not mean-spirited. Neither Rhoda or Phyllis aged like Mary did. Or even Lou.
I'm not even the only one here who commented on her looks, but I seem to be the only one you took offense to.

However in year 6, there weren't as many Mary centered episodes which was another problem. It was the Ted & Georgette show. There were 2 episodes about Ted's problems in the bedroom, Lou sleeps with Sue Ann, and Mary forgives the guy who cheated on her. It's the MTM show, yet Mary seems to be the only one not getting any action.
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Well, Ted was married to a woman young enough to be his daughter whose voice sounded like a four year old. It just seemed a bit creepy for lack of a better word. His wife on "Too Close For Comfort" was closer to his age and had a good chemistry. Georgia Engel was really beautiful as a young woman, but her voice, while unique was very childlike.
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Mary was only 40 (going on 41) when the MTM Show went off the air in 1977. But I agree that she looked older than her actual age, which I attribute to her diabetes, drinking, smoking, the stress of headlining a television show and a failing marriage to Grant Tinker. There was a lot of darkness under that smile of hers. I made a thread with no response on this, but I hope someone does a movie about MTM's life. She was really the definition of that Bible verse of "To gain the whole World yet lose your own soul."

I also think that 40 was a lot older in 1978 than 40 in 2018. People drink and smoke less, but eat more, so we are more youthful but fatter. The generation in their twenties now will be in their 40's and shocked how old the people their age looked. Seriously.
I also think MTM spent too much time in the sun, which really damages your skin. Her skin was too tan for someone living in Minneapolis. This was before tanning salons were a thing.
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I don't know about jumping the shark but the show changed for the worse after season 3. Mary seemed tougher and less feminine and the new opening really killed it for me.

I've just recently gotten into the show. I really adore the opening of the first 3 seasons. It's so inspiring seeing a young Mary running around wearing dainty, girly clothes and looking pretty but still being independent and very much her own woman.
In contrast I was sort of appalled by the the season 4 opening. I hated the the masculine pants suits and hated the hair and the awful tan. Her whole demeanor was different. She seemed cynical in that newer opening and was no longer "sweet". Was this to please the growing feminist climate at that time?
I really don't understand what happened between season 3 and 4 and even between season 2 and 3. It disappoints me.
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When Lou Grant ran out of scotch at work, went crazy, forced himself on the Happy Homemaker and beat Ted Baxter to a bloody pulp with Mare crying saying "Oh, Mr. Graaaaant!"

That's when the show lost me.
This actually happened?
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This actually happened?
No. Although Mr. Grant did have dinner with Sue Ann one night, had too much to drink, and Sue Ann took full advantage of it. Lou doesn't even remember it, and only knows because he woke up in Sue Ann's bed. We don't actually see that scene, just that Lou comes into work without his socks and hungover, and Mary figures out what happened.

It's in the Season 6 episode "Once I Had A Secret Love."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe_vvqFUFos
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I am on season 5 now and Mary looks MUCH improved over season 4. She has more weight on her and just overall seems happier and healthier. Season 4 hair and overall look was a disaster! But it's either next season or season 7 where her hair goes bad again lol. I miss Rhoda. I guess I'll have to start watching her show.
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