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Old 05-06-2011, 10:27 AM   #46
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he likely used Fraser's credit cards or debit cards (if he had any) and took his money and anything he could sell for money. As for his id, if he used it earlier he would be ok, but it's likely now that the hitchhiker is not using the ID.
I'm sure you're right about the money. They could have traced when and where the cards were used if they were, though if they did it obviously didn't help. I was just curious if the I.D. picture looked enough like the hitchhiker for him to have used it for something like crossing the border. I've never crossed the border so I don't know how closely they would have looked, or what all they would have looked at, during that time period.

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As for the police talking with whoever dropped the hitchhiker off, i wonder if the police even knew who the guy who dropped him off was. if they did though, wouldnt they have some info from him that they would put on the segment??? my guess is they dont know who the guy that dropped the hitchhiker off.
I'm sure you're right about this too. I just thought when they got the story out maybe the driver of the first car contacted them. They do leave some things out on purpose, but they probably wouldn't have left out something like that. Mostly I was curious about how much effort they put into tracing the hitchhikers path backwards.
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I'm sure you're right about this too. I just thought when they got the story out maybe the driver of the first car contacted them. They do leave some things out on purpose, but they probably wouldn't have left out something like that. Mostly I was curious about how much effort they put into tracing the hitchhikers path backwards.
yeah and i personally agree. i would like to know how that other guy felt about the hitchhiker.
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in the segment, the car broke down.

how long was it before they discovered the connection with the Frocklages and the Olsen's???? it's likely this guy got out of Prince George quickly and likely wasnt noticed much by the people in town.
The car's trouble was discovered to be just a broken fan belt; according to the segment, he was back on the road headed south within an hour after departing the Olsen's home. 12 hours after leaving the Olsen's home, the car was found in Prince George at a car wash

It was probably shortly after Phillip's body was found (6 weeks after he was seen at the cafe with the hitchhiker) that the police put out notices for more information. It probably only took a few days or weeks before the Frocklages and Olsens reported in their tips.

I am suprised that no employees or customers at the car wash came forward with information; it seems pretty hard to not notice a car in flames at a commonly used car service place.

If he got out of Prince George quickly, he probably hitched another ride because if he went to an airport, bus depot or train station, he probably would have had to show ID to get a ticket and would be easily recognized; especially since every witness who reported seeing him reported him as having a noticeably strange demeanor.
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The car's trouble was discovered to be just a broken fan belt.
yeah i thought the car broke down somehow because the Olsen's gave him a lift. i wonder though, why kill Frasier, but not the Olsen's??? i think they were very lucky.
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It was probably shortly after Phillip's body was found (6weeks after he was seen at the cafe with the hitchhiker) that the police put out notices for more information. It probably only took a few days or weeks before the Frocklages and Olsens reported in their tips.
yeah, that's my guess. my guess is when they heard that Fraiser was missing that the Frocklages reported about the hitchhikier and it's likely that (if the car was reported as missing too) that the Olsen's reported what they saw after that.
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I am suprised that no employees or customers at the car wash came forward with information; it seems pretty hard to not notice a car in flames at a commonly used car service place.
yeah true, my question is how did this guy not get noticed while setting the car on fire???
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If he got out of Prince George quickly, he probably hitched another ride because if he went to an airport, bus depot or train station, he probably would have had to show ID to get a ticket and would be easily recognized; especially since every witness who reported seeing him reported him as having a noticeably strange demeanor.
that's my guess too, i think he likely burned the car, walked a bit, then hitched another ride out of town or home. i just wonder who the next person that picked him up was.
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yeah i thought the car broke down somehow because the Olsen's gave him a lift. i wonder though, why kill Frasier, but not the Olsen's??? i think they were very lucky.

yeah, that's my guess. my guess is when they heard that Fraiser was missing that the Frocklages reported about the hitchhikier and it's likely that (if the car was reported as missing too) that the Olsen's reported what they saw after that.

yeah true, my question is how did this guy not get noticed while setting the car on fire???

that's my guess too, i think he likely burned the car, walked a bit, then hitched another ride out of town or home. i just wonder who the next person that picked him up was.
I don't think the Olsens were lucky. He didn't really have any reason to kill them even if he did know about the gun case he had access to in that house. He likely killed Phillip just for his ID documents and money (he did pull out two wallets), and to possibly get to his destination when he wanted to. He didn't have a need to kill them because he didn't give any clue that he wasn't who he said he was until he began behaving secretly and by that time, he would quickly be back on the road.

The segment didn't say anything distinct about the location of where the car was found, just that it was a car wash. If the car wash was an abandoned or closed one then he might have been able to set it on fire without anyone noticing but we don't know those details.
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I don't think the Olsens were lucky. He didn't really have any reason to kill them even if he did know about the gun case he had access to in that house. He likely killed Phillip just for his ID documents and money (he did pull out two wallets), and to possibly get to his destination when he wanted to.
Yeah, there was no motive there. The Olsons had done nothing but help him, and of course their willingness to do so is rooted in a level of trust. He had more far more to gain by leaving them unharmed, and he maybe even felt some gratitude towards them. Who knows.
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Another thing. The investigators and/or Phillip's parents should have done a special search for his possessions. Remember, his body was found just 70 miles north of the Olsons' home. Chances are, the killer dumped his possessions after killing Phillip so 70 miles of road is a fairly small area to search. His parents seemed to know what he took with him on the trip so they would know what to look for (clothing of his, books, maybe a photo album, etc). They could have searched any gas stations, motels, donation shops, cafes, etc along that stretch of highway.
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I don't think the Olsens were lucky. He didn't really have any reason to kill them even if he did know about the gun case he had access to in that house. He likely killed Phillip just for his ID documents and money (he did pull out two wallets), and to possibly get to his destination when he wanted to. He didn't have a need to kill them because he didn't give any clue that he wasn't who he said he was until he began behaving secretly and by that time, he would quickly be back on the road.
he didnt have much of a reason to kill Frasier either unless he said something incriminating to him like a crime he committed. if he killed for money, why not kill for the Olsen's money??? i also wonder about the other person who dropped him off, i wonder why he didnt kill that guy. it was like Frasier was the guy he wanted to kill, the perfect guy to steal money and ID from.
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he didnt have much of a reason to kill Frasier either unless he said something incriminating to him like a crime he committed. if he killed for money, why not kill for the Olsen's money??? i also wonder about the other person who dropped him off, i wonder why he didnt kill that guy. it was like Frasier was the guy he wanted to kill, the perfect guy to steal money and ID from.
I'd say he definitely premeditated murdering someone. He's probably either killed before, or seriously hurt someone before as indicated by his seemingly calm attitude despite also being secretive. He also didn't appear to be on drugs, alcohol or nicotine which is common among murderers if they feel any stress afterwards. I'd say stealing ID seems like the best possible motive. Since he was trying to establish himself as Phillip while at with the Olsens, he was probably doing it to possibly throw off the authorities by making it harder to track Phillip's movements down the countryside. He was probably headed for Seattle just like Phillip and if he was already on the run from the authorities, using someone else's ID would be an ideal way to cross both providence lines and the American border.

Maybe the trucker who dropped him off at the cafe had an accomplice with him, which made killing more than one person a risk for the hitchhiker. So he came from the north, trekking across the Cassiar highway in search of an ideal victim. Someone alone, traveling by car, and maybe around the same age.
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I would like to re watch this segment again, and I can't find it on the forbidden site. Does anyone know if the title is something other than phillip fraser on the forbidden site?
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I would like to re watch this segment again, and I can't find it on the forbidden site. Does anyone know if the title is something other than phillip fraser on the forbidden site?
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Found it, thanks! I guess its Frazier not Fraser on the site. But it's really Fraser...
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I'd say he definitely premeditated murdering someone. He's probably either killed before, or seriously hurt someone before as indicated by his seemingly calm attitude despite also being secretive. I'd say stealing ID seems like the best possible motive. Since he was trying to establish himself as Phillip while at with the Olsens, he was probably doing it to possibly throw off the authorities by making it harder to track Phillip's movements down the countryside. He was probably headed for Seattle just like Phillip and if he was already on the run from the authorities, using someone else's ID would be an ideal way to cross both providence lines and the American border.

Maybe the trucker who dropped him off at the cafe had an accomplice with him, which made killing more than one person a risk for the hitchhiker. So he came from the north, trekking across the Cassiar highway in search of an ideal victim. Someone alone, traveling by car, and maybe around the same age.
ok, i read all your points and they DO make sense, especially the last lines, BUT in my book stealing the ID is risky, ESPECIALLY if he's still using it today because someone will watch this segment and be like, yeah nice try. As for killing someone or hurting someone before, yeah it sounds as if he did do this before. he seemed too calm.
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ok, i read all your points and they DO make sense, especially the last lines, BUT in my book stealing the ID is risky, ESPECIALLY if he's still using it today because someone will watch this segment and be like, yeah nice try. As for killing someone or hurting someone before, yeah it sounds as if he did do this before. he seemed too calm.
I figure he only wanted to use the ID once, and for the purpose of getting to wherever his ultimate destination was. He would probably know that it would be too risky to use it in the long term.
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I figure he only wanted to use the ID once, and for the purpose of getting to wherever his ultimate destination was. He would probably know that it would be too risky to use it in the long term.
yeah, if he used it long term, he would be in jail right now. people would know that Phil Fraser is dead and that they have a stolen ID here. my guess is that he likely used it to get money, then when he heard he was missing on the news, quit on using the ID. he is likely in another city or state or country (Canada) using another name and being a more model citizen and that is likely why they havent found him.
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