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Old 09-25-2019, 01:26 PM   #406
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That is surprising. In Canada, it was much higher during that same period of time. Incidentally, 9-1-1 was first implemented in Winnipeg, Canada, the city I was born in. I believe the 9-1-1 system came into effect in the late 50s here, so by the 80s, it was well known in most Canadian cities, I guess it may have been implemented much later in America.
Back in the 80s, every man, woman and child knew of 911 where I lived in Newfoundland. However, when I moved to Nova Scotia in the early 90s, I was shocked to find that the only place in the entire province that had 911 was the (then small) town of Bedford. To make it even more confusing, where I live (Halifax) had THREE different sets of numbers before the area amalgamated into one city based on where you lived and all three services (police, fire, ambulance) also had different numbers. To make it more confusing our fire and police came from the other end of the city rather than the stations near our house (since they were outside the then city limits) so the people behind us had different emergency numbers than us. If that's the case it's no wonder how Anthonette didn't call 911 as I am getting confused even writing this. Thank goodness we got province-wide 911 service back in the mid 90s.
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Back in the 80s, every man, woman and child knew of 911 where I lived in Newfoundland. However, when I moved to Nova Scotia in the early 90s, I was shocked to find that the only place in the entire province that had 911 was the (then small) town of Bedford. To make it even more confusing, where I live (Halifax) had THREE different sets of numbers before the area amalgamated into one city based on where you lived and all three services (police, fire, ambulance) also had different numbers. To make it more confusing our fire and police came from the other end of the city rather than the stations near our house (since they were outside the then city limits) so the people behind us had different emergency numbers than us. If that's the case it's no wonder how Anthonette didn't call 911 as I am getting confused even writing this. Thank goodness we got province-wide 911 service back in the mid 90s.
The question remains is even if New Mexico did not have 9-1-1 implemented, why would a child phone the Gallop Police Department, if they happened to be living in Albuquerque? That is assuming that the caller was even Anthonette to begin with, which IMO, was not her.
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The question remains is even if New Mexico did not have 9-1-1 implemented, why would a child phone the Gallop Police Department, if they happened to be living in Albuquerque? That is assuming that the caller was even Anthonette to begin with, which IMO, was not her.
I think that my example above illustrates this. Her hometown was Gallup and that was the only # she knew. If I was a kid growing up without 911 I would probably assume the local emergency # was valid everywhere in the province or country. The only reason I knew the emergency numbers in my city was because my parents sat down and drilled it into me. Dare I say it but in appears Anthonette didn't exactly grow up in the best home. It's easy to play Monday morning quarterback now when 911 is so widely known and understood in both Canada and the US.
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I think that my example above illustrates this. Her hometown was Gallup and that was the only # she knew. If I was a kid growing up without 911 I would probably assume the local emergency # was valid everywhere in the province or country. The only reason I knew the emergency numbers in my city was because my parents sat down and drilled it into me. Dare I say it but in appears Anthonette didn't exactly grow up in the best home. It's easy to play Monday morning quarterback now when 911 is so widely known and understood in both Canada and the US.
Before the advent of cell phones, people would only dial 7 digits to call out if local. If the caller was Anthonette in Albuquerque, she would have had to dial long distance. If Anthonette was not able to understand how to obtain the local emergency number, I doubt she was familiar with dialing long distance. The reason I say this, is because old phone books from the 80s and 90s used to have emergency numbers on either the back or inside cover of the phone books, which would have made it incredibly easy to locate and call.
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Before the advent of cell phones, people would only dial 7 digits to call out if local. If the caller was Anthonette in Albuquerque, she would have had to dial long distance. If Anthonette was not able to understand how to obtain the local emergency number, I doubt she was familiar with dialing long distance. The reason I say this, is because old phone books from the 80s and 90s used to have emergency numbers on either the back or inside cover of the phone books, which would have made it incredibly easy to locate and call.
The entire state of New Mexico was a single area code until 2007, so if she dialed the 7 digit number for Gallup she would have reached it from anywhere in NM.
Also you're assuming the phone book was available to her to look up the local number. I think that's more unlikely than her remembering her hometown number, assuming it was a real call. I was a child the same time Anthonette was. If I got access to a phone I'd be calling any number I could think of off the top of my head.
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The entire state of New Mexico was a single area code until 2007, so if she dialed the 7 digit number for Gallup she would have reached it from anywhere in NM.
Also you're assuming the phone book was available to her to look up the local number. I think that's more unlikely than her remembering her hometown number, assuming it was a real call. I was a child the same time Anthonette was. If I got access to a phone I'd be calling any number I could think of off the top of my head.
For starters, it was long distance, so if it was Anthonette, she would have been required to dial 10 digits, regardless. Gallop is long distance from Albuquerque. I had just assumed it was common knowledge. If Anthonette did try to dial Gallp from Albuquerque, she would have received the following intercept message: "We're sorry. You must first dial a 1 or 0, plus the area code, when calling this number. Please hang up and try your call again later."

I am still of the opinion that the call was made from the Gallup area, possible even from the Cayedito household, to throw off investigators.

Another thing that makes me skeptical about Anthonette being the caller, is if it was Anthonette on the phone, chances are she would have dialed her parents house, and let them know this, if she were to call her home town. It is very suspect that a missing child would wait a full year, without even trying to reach her immediate family. There is absolutely zero chance that she would have remembered the Gallop Police number over her own family number.

I am pretty certain that the Cayedito family had a natural distrust for law enforcement, considering the fact that Penny was involved in drugs, and the Police later were never able to clear her of the suspicion that she was involved in her daughters disappearance. Another fact is the Cayeditos were Native American, and being from Winnipeg, where there is a huge Native population, I know first hand that Natives tend to distrust Police.
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So if you were calling someone in the same area code you still had to dial long distance? I guess I'm not understanding that. Back when my area was one area code we'd call my cousin about 100 miles away but in the same area code as a local call. Calls to my other cousin in the next state (but only about 25 miles away) was long distance. I wonder if it varied by area.

I have no opinion on whether or not it was Anthonette who called. I don't know what to make of this whole case to be honest. I can definitely imagine her family trying to cover something. I do agree it's odd that she didn't call her parents. I'd imagine if I was that age and really in the situation she would have been in, that's who I would have called, for certain. I would so love for this case to be solved but I won't hold my breath.
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So if you were calling someone in the same area code you still had to dial long distance? I guess I'm not understanding that. Back when my area was one area code we'd call my cousin about 100 miles away but in the same area code as a local call. Calls to my other cousin in the next state (but only about 25 miles away) was long distance. I wonder if it varied by area.
Here, if we were dialing within Nova Scotia or Prince Edward Island you did NOT need the area code in the 1990s even if it was long distance. That was changed in the early 2000s to require the area code only when calling long distance within the two provinces. Now, since we have two area codes you have to dial all 10 digits no matter where in Canada or the US you are calling.

Useless detail: I was dealing with someone in the USA at work and could not seem to convince them that Canada uses the exact same calling procedures. He kept repeating that he couldn't find the country code for Canada and I kept explaining till I just gave up and called him that you don't need to use one! If a professional adult who worked at a sales desk had that much difficulty understanding something very basic like that, its no wonder Anthonette made that error.

Edit: I also noticed it being mentioned that the Cayedito family might have staged the call. Even back then wouldn't it have been easy for emergency services to trace the call?
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