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Old 09-10-2017, 04:44 PM   #61
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That Adam Emory was just some otherwise normal guy with no criminal history who "snapped" and killed Jason Bass in fit of rage coupled with poor judgement and that he subsequently took his own life rather than face prison.

The show and some people here make him out to be some diabolical, soulless, criminal mastermind.
I agree that Adam Emery likely killed himself. I agree that he was drunk and pissed off, when he killed Jason Bass. But the fact that even after being arrested and after sobering up, he still didn't show remorse for what he'd done, does not speak well of him at all
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If that were the motive, why didn't they take the third child? There was another son they didn't bother with. That's what always made that theory fall apart for me.
Jon Bunting (formerly Bobby Baskin) has addressed that question on the board. Here is what he said:


Michael's situation was always something that felt tragic to us all. The Baskins left us with Marvin and Sandra frequently due to, as I was told, the fact that they couldn't afford to support and feed us. Originally all three of us were left, but due to things I won't go into out of respect for Michael, it became too much of a challenge to have all three of us. Keep in mind, also, that originally they only thought that Mark's parents were involved in the abuse, because I did not want to tell on my parents. I thought that maybe if I told on ONE person, the abuse would stop. With that in mind, they initially thought Michael was safe with Mark and Debbie. When they learned of the full extent of the abuse (because it continued in visitation), they only had two of us. They went and told the story to the authorities and were granted immediate temporary custody of the two they already had, and while they TRIED to get custody of Michael, it was a lot more difficult with the Baskins now on alert about the situation. When we drove off in our big grey GMC van it was because they had learned that child services was going to come and get us, literally the next day. They only had two of us, and it was either save us and leave Michael, or save none of us.
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Larry Race is innocent
That's convincing.
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Probably too many to list but...

* 98% of the Unexplained Death cases featuring a suspected suicide, were in fact suicides. Including the very controversial Cindy James case. A case where I think, unequivocally, a homicide occurred was Keith Warren. There are some others, of course.

* 99% of the Amnesia cases were hoaxes or mentally ill people.

* 100% of the UFO cases were hoaxes or people swept into a frenzy.

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I always had trouble believing John Grundhofer's story about being "kidnapped" by the incompetent fat guy who dropped his cheat sheet.
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I always thought he was.
For a very long time I felt the case was THE most convoluted, confusing story UM ever aired, so I really had no opinion either way until a few years ago when I finally got brave enough to sort it out. After I did that, I actually kind of wondered how he ever became the cause celebre he is today, because I thought the state had a pretty damn good argument for Zeigler's guilt. I surmise it probably has mostly to do with Maurice Paul and that whole controversy.
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Old 09-10-2017, 08:27 PM   #67
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* 100% of the Amnesia cases were hoaxes or mentally ill people.
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Well, on the other hand, Susan Lafuerte's case was labeled as Amnesia also. The Amnesia cases that weren't hoaxes like that, as well probably the girl from the Karl Malden episode I'd put into a 3rd category of 'severe head injury' for which memory loss is normal.
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Well, on the other hand, Susan Lafuerte's case was labeled as Amnesia also. The Amnesia cases that weren't hoaxes like that, as well probably the girl from the Karl Malden episode I'd put into a 3rd category of 'severe head injury' for which memory loss is memory.
That's a fair example of a legitimate Amnesia case.
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That's a fair example of a legitimate Amnesia case.
With Kyra Cook, it looked like it started with a true case of memory loss from a concussion that I think she stretched out to be more dramatic than it really was. But I do think there was legitimate memory loss.

With Lafuerte, there was no doubt. That level of head trauma is also why many severe car accident survivors have no memory of the events that lead up to the crash.
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With Kyra Cook, it looked like it started with a true case of memory loss from a concussion that I think she stretched out to be more dramatic than it really was. But I do think there was legitimate memory loss.

With Lafuerte, there was no doubt. That level of head trauma is also why many severe car accident survivors have no memory of the events that lead up to the crash.
Good points. And I should also mention that there was another case of suicide that I definitely think foul play was involved... in keeping with my very broad "99%" though, I think: Bobby Fuller.

Went back and adjusted my admittedly broad percentages.
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That's a fair example of a legitimate Amnesia case.
I took you're statement to mean the people who came on claiming not to know who they were and relying on the viewers to identify them, and for that I agree with you. I think they were either seeking notoriety or in the case of the two with criminal records were reluctant participants, their friends coming up with the idea to present it on the show and being caught in the lie not being able to argue against it. "Why wouldn't you want to go on Unsolved Mysteries and find out who you are??" Then they just hoped people were watching ABC that night.

I think there's grounds for some of the suicides to be murders, but there is also a lot of wishful thinking. There's no way Crystal Spencer was a suicide or an accident, same for the kids on the train tracks.
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I took you're statement to mean the people who came on claiming not to know who they were and relying on the viewers to identify them, and for that I agree with you. I think they were either seeking notoriety or in the case of the two with criminal records were reluctant participants, their friends coming up with the idea to present it on the show and being caught in the lie not being able to argue against it. "Why wouldn't you want to go on Unsolved Mysteries and find out who you are??" Then they just hoped people were watching ABC that night.

I think there's grounds for some of the suicides to be murders, but there is also a lot of wishful thinking. There's no way Crystal Spencer was a suicide or an accident.
For sure, I think Crystal Spencer was a homicide; accidental or otherwise.
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If I had to give a number to the ones I personally believe were legitimate I'd say maybe 25% I might be being generous.


Off the top of my head:
I think Bryan Nisenfeld was another sad statistic for LGBT suicides.
Kurt Sova I think was likely an accidental end to a tearaway weekend.
Train track kids = murder, and that ruling the result of some very outdated marijuana mindsets.
Keith Warren = murder
Dave Bocks = murder
Rae Ann Mossor = accident or suicide
All the various military people = suicide and none involved in secret projects, especially paper tearing guy.
Tony Lombardi ... eeeh. Could go either way for me, but it's also so easy to just not notice a light when doing the laundry.
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I guess I'm posting about this particular case because I'm currently watching a documentary about it, but I guess I never really believed the Tupac and Biggie cases were connected.
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1. Mike Reamer murdered his wife and then committed suicide. He and his wife's deaths are not in any way connected to the murder victims found nearby.

2. Hugh Harlin murdered his wife and then later disappeared willingly.

3. Snea Philip was murdered before 9/11

4. L'enfante was a hoax (not sure if that's unpopular)
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