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Old 08-20-2017, 09:26 PM   #121
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If Scott Johnston isn't gay, I'm a woolly mammoth. One of the cuter UM participants too -- what hair!
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Old 08-21-2017, 12:16 AM   #122
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Just watched the segment and you are definitely NOT a wooly mammoth.
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me! i mean, us! i mean, Louis Bourgeois and Jean-Marie Gagnon.

we are so clearly gay and UM did not mention it all.

BY THE WAY: am i crazy or didn't i see this case on amazon? I can't find it now.
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me! i mean, us! i mean, Louis Bourgeois and Jean-Marie Gagnon.

we are so clearly gay and UM did not mention it all.

BY THE WAY: am i crazy or didn't i see this case on amazon? I can't find it now.
Wait ... am I missing something here?
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I think they are referring to their avatar picture. I got lost for a second, too.
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I think they are referring to their avatar picture. I got lost for a second, too.
Ahhh ... ok, makes more sense now. I was a bit excited (is that bad?).
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Ahhh ... ok, makes more sense now. I was a bit excited (is that bad?).
sorry to have gotten your hopes up

but am i crazy or was this case on amazon?
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Just watched the segment and you are definitely NOT a wooly mammoth.
Just watched this one again and Scott Johnston is definitely a friend of Dorothy's.
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me! i mean, us! i mean, Louis Bourgeois and Jean-Marie Gagnon.

we are so clearly gay and UM did not mention it all.

BY THE WAY: am i crazy or didn't i see this case on amazon? I can't find it now.
It was originally aired as part of the Alcatraz special in order to keep up with their "prison escapes" theme, but for some reason, they've edited the segment out of the Alcatraz special on Prime.

On a side note, I was initially VERY confused by the preceding Scott Johnson comments since I thought everyone was referring to the boy who was burned in the shack.
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I did too!
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On a side note, I was initially VERY confused by the preceding Scott Johnson comments since I thought everyone was referring to the boy who was burned in the shack.
Oh, holy crap, I laughed so hard at reading this. That probably WAS a brain bender.
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Oh, holy crap, I laughed so hard at reading this. That probably WAS a brain bender.
This is HILARIOUS ( I am saying this in my Jerri Blank voice) .

Yes, clearly Scott was a friend of Dorothy and there is absolutely no question in my mind about that.

I really need to rewatch this segment to get some laughs again. He was a very attractive male, I will add.
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I think UM, in general, had a very conservative bent to it, especially in its early years, which is why they shied away from topics like same-sex relationships. I can't think of any case before Bryan Nisenfeld's (which of course was years after the NBC run) where Stack mentioned anything about homosexuality, aside from the Leo Khoury case with that awful scene of his henchman recruiting someone 'from the gay community' as a hitman.

I skimmed quickly through the pages of this thread, but I don't believe the John Hawkins / Dr Richard Boggs case was mentioned. UM completely side-stepped the homosexual angle on this one, but Forensic Files, which did an episode on this case years later, tackled it head-on. Not only did investigators discover that Dr Boggs had financial problems, but he was closeted and sex toys were found in his office drawers. Their victim, Ellis Henry Greene (who did not look anything like the re-enactment actor and whose actual picture was not used), was HIV positive and it's thought that Dr Boggs met him at a gay bar. John Hawkins also was known to use his charms on both men and women; one of his former lovers called AMW with his whereabouts.

Add in another (gay) person who clocked Matthew Chase from the get-go, sometimes you just know these things. But then again, I didn't see that segment until I was 25. Also, it was clear that Scott Johnston had a crush on "Jason" which (hopefully) dissipated after he realized that he was part of a murder. (And I also had to not confuse him with the little Arizona boy who died in the shack.)

I *did* see the Jean-Marie Gagnon segment as a kid and never forgot that B&W pic of him and Louis Bourgeois. I mean, really! Then Gagnon was discovered to be in a small Georgia town as a masseur.
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(a) Re: Boggs, I really need to see that episode. I think he later succumbed to AIDS (Boggs) if I am correct. The whole crime was an awful ordeal in planning. How did the doctor think that nobody would find out the truth? The EMS learned it after showing up and noticing the body's rigor mortis.

(b) I know Matthew Chase has been discussed several times as being gay. I have the same feeling too, and myself also being gay, I felt bad for his parents. I feel that they probably knew nothing about their son's lifestyle, until they returned to California after he disappeared. Of course, like most of this stuff on here, it is just speculation. But Oregon was a pretty conservative state in the 1980s and I know he wasn't from Portland.

I was born in the 1980s and grew up in the bible belt. Where I am from, gay people were considered perverts. Because AIDS was so rampant at that time period, and the 1990s, people also associated it with Leprosy. It doesn't surprise me in hindsight that UM avoided the topic. I think all of this is educational to future generations who will never understand how off topic the subject of homosexuality really was during that period.
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(b) I know Matthew Chase has been discussed several times as being gay. I have the same feeling too, and myself also being gay, I felt bad for his parents. I feel that they probably knew nothing about their son's lifestyle, until they returned to California after he disappeared. Of course, like most of this stuff on here, it is just speculation. But Oregon was a pretty conservative state in the 1980s and I know he wasn't from Portland.
I thought someone posted an anecdote about Chase taking a boyfriend to his prom. No doubt his parents would've learned about it.

Point taken, though!
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