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Old 08-07-2018, 04:27 PM   #136
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Oh my! That's news to me. There's just so much information stacked up on these boards, there's no way I can read all of the stuff that's been posted. I do admire the people who were around for the postings, and still remember their stuff!
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Old 08-07-2018, 04:32 PM   #137
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I think UM, in general, had a very conservative bent to it, especially in its early years, which is why they shied away from topics like same-sex relationships. I can't think of any case before Bryan Nisenfeld's (which of course was years after the NBC run) where Stack mentioned anything about homosexuality, aside from the Leo Khoury case with that awful scene of his henchman recruiting someone 'from the gay community' as a hitman.:
Since we're talking about the late 80's here, I don't know if you can really say the show had a "conservative bent" in those early years that transitioned in to the 90's as much as it was the norm for all television. If you pick out any sitcom or drama from those exact years, even having a gay character was much too controversial unless it was the rarely seen guest star who's only purpose was to stand in for "the very special episode." And even those were once in a blue moon.

As much as you can watch the Mark Groezinger segment now and probably roll your eyes over how much they tried to tip-toe around the lesbian angle between Judy and her friend, just the fact that they pointed it out is kind of a miracle considering this aired in 1989.

And although Matthew Chase disappeared and his segment aired in 1988, his sexuality was pretty moot because his case involved a bad neighborhood and being in the wrong place at the wrong time. That killer wanted his Mathew's money.

I do remember kind of being thrown for a loop the first time I saw the Will Hendrick segment. It was the first time I ever remembered hearing the word, "gay" on the show. It centered on a missing gay college kid and had interviews with his partner and parents, the mother in particular saying she worried that some psycho who didn't like gay people might have killed her son. And they even show a reenactment of the partner firing an employee after the employee called him a f*ggot. (And yes, the actor even said the actual word.)

What's interesting about the Bryan Nisenfeld segment is that we still don't even know for sure if he was gay. It was theorized by an investigator who read his poetry and an RA in his dorm. But his friends and family can only speculate.
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I think UM, in general, had a very conservative bent to it, especially in its early years, which is why they shied away from topics like same-sex relationships. I can't think of any case before Bryan Nisenfeld's (which of course was years after the NBC run) where Stack mentioned anything about homosexuality, aside from the Leo Khoury case with that awful scene of his henchman recruiting someone 'from the gay community' as a hitman.

I skimmed quickly through the pages of this thread, but I don't believe the John Hawkins / Dr Richard Boggs case was mentioned. UM completely side-stepped the homosexual angle on this one, but Forensic Files, which did an episode on this case years later, tackled it head-on. Not only did investigators discover that Dr Boggs had financial problems, but he was closeted and sex toys were found in his office drawers. Their victim, Ellis Henry Greene (who did not look anything like the re-enactment actor and whose actual picture was not used), was HIV positive and it's thought that Dr Boggs met him at a gay bar. John Hawkins also was known to use his charms on both men and women; one of his former lovers called AMW with his whereabouts.

Add in another (gay) person who clocked Matthew Chase from the get-go, sometimes you just know these things. But then again, I didn't see that segment until I was 25. Also, it was clear that Scott Johnston had a crush on "Jason" which (hopefully) dissipated after he realized that he was part of a murder. (And I also had to not confuse him with the little Arizona boy who died in the shack.)

I *did* see the Jean-Marie Gagnon segment as a kid and never forgot that B&W pic of him and Louis Bourgeois. I mean, really! Then Gagnon was discovered to be in a small Georgia town as a masseur.

I never caught that with Scott Johnston. I thought he seemed replsed by jason'smanner of dress (He had a quote similar to "Oh boy. This guy dresses like a cowboy." ) Maybe he did have acrush on him, though. I know he made the statement that Jason was a good looking huy and tehn caught himsel and said "The ladies would be attracted to him."

I really iwsh UM had gone into more detail about Dr. Boggs. the Fprensic Files episode was great. I hav ebeen unable to find the AMW segment on John Hawkins (I have only seen a commercial). Is it available anywhere? I haven't seen the thin on Oxygen about John Hawkins either (no cable or Dish).
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On another note, does anyone get a homosexual vibe from Scott Johnston, the young man who saw the man that killed Jonathan Francia? Jeanne Boylan said Scott was an "interesting" man who took care in the way he looks (how he combs his hair and the way he dresses), and the way they he said that "Jason", all cowboyish, was the kind of guy the girls would be into. Just seems metrosexual if not homosexual. I also find it funny that Scott lived in a trailer, as clean and neat as he looked. Looks like he may have had to find a new crowd of friends after finding out Paul and "Jason" murdered someone. Poor Scott.
Or, he only had money to afford a trailer.
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Since we're talking about the late 80's here, I don't know if you can really say the show had a "conservative bent" in those early years that transitioned in to the 90's as much as it was the norm for all television.
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She was mentioned upthread, no?
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he was best friends with the Paul's wife/girlfriend which is unusual for a straight man
Well ****, I better let my two close female friends know we can't be friends anymore.
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