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Old 05-06-2021, 11:53 AM   #16
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The 60s shows on/not on the list are a pretty big tell of a bias. You have Dick van Dyke and Andy Griffith way up there in the top 15, and then almost nothing. One show, Get Smart, at No. 66, from all the shows debuting between 1961 and 1970.

The farther you get down such a list, the more plausible candidates there are for each next slot. You start evaluating which shows have fewer weaknesses than which have greater strengths. It becomes a lot easier to drop shows entirely because they're in a genre you don't like than because of their quality.
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Still they ignored (for example) Leave it to Beaver, which despite being 50s/60s has never gone out of circulation. It's pretty well an iconic, the first of its kind sitcom, which has as its rule that the scripts involve the lives of the kids and their friends, while the normal sitcom stars the adults, and the kids are secondary.

And speaking of kids being secondary, I didn't see Everybody Loves Raymond on there, either. But I saw a whole bunch of sitcoms that probably 90+ percent of people have never heard of. That kind of thing is typical of critics.
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Not in any order (had trouble reaching 100):

I Love Lucy
The Andy Griffith Show
The Dick Van Dyke Show
Mary Tyler Moore
MASH
Bewitched
I Dream of Jeannie
Leave it to Beaver
The Munsters
The Addams Family
Seinfeld
Cheers
Taxi
The Beverly Hillbillies
Green Acres
Petticoat Junction
The Donna Reed Show
The Bob Newhart Show
All in the Family
Maude
The Jeffersons
The Golden Girls
Get Smart
Hogan's Heroes
Gidget
The Burns & Allen Show
The Jack Benny Program
The Honeymooners
The Flintstones
The Jetsons
Happy Days
Curb Your Enthusiasm
Absolutely Fabulous
Keeping Up Appearances
The Office
Friends
Gilligan's Island
The Brady Bunch
Make Room For Daddy
Father Knows Best
Gomer Pyle USMC
The Monkees
Batman
The Simpsons
Malcom in the Middle
Sex and the City
That 70's Show
Laverne & Shirley
That Girl
The Flying Nun
My Favorite Martian
The Partridge Family
Three's Company
Frasier
Roseanne
The Big Bang Theory
Everybody Loves Raymond
Top Cat
Sgt. Bilko
McHale's Navy
Dobie Gillis
My Three Sons
Family Affair
Pee Wee's Playhouse
Futurama
South Park
Murphy Brown
Scooby Doo, Where Are You?
Josie and the Pussycats
The Mothers in Law
The Patty Duke Show
Mr. Ed
The Ghost and Mrs. Muir
Square Pegs
Nanny and the Professor
Good Times
Car 54, Where Are You?
F Troop
The Joey Bishop Show
The Paul Lynde Show
Newhart
Two and a Half Men
Police Squad
When Things Were Rotten
My World and Welcome to It
Phyllis
Rhoda
Fawlty Towers
Mama's Family
Young Sheldon
The Lucy Show
One Day at a Time (OG)
My Living Doll
The Pruitts of Southhampton
Will & Grace
The Odd Couple
Designing Women
Parker Lewis Can't Lose
Sanford & Son
The Courtship of Eddie's Father
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Still they ignored (for example) Leave it to Beaver, which despite being 50s/60s has never gone out of circulation. It's pretty well an iconic, the first of its kind sitcom, which has as its rule that the scripts involve the lives of the kids and their friends, while the normal sitcom stars the adults, and the kids are secondary.

And speaking of kids being secondary, I didn't see Everybody Loves Raymond on there, either. But I saw a whole bunch of sitcoms that probably 90+ percent of people have never heard of. That kind of thing is typical of critics.
Popularity does not equal quality.

I could definitely see an argument for Leave it to Beaver over some of the shows that made the list (though I don't think Beaver is anything special). But just because people haven't heard of it doesn't make it bad.

Everybody Loves Raymond is on there.
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24. Community (NBC, 2009-2014; Yahoo! Screen, 2015)
23. The Office (U.S.) (NBC, 2005-2013)
18. 30 Rock (NBC, 2006-2013)
9. Parks and Recreation (NBC, 2009-2015)
They really loved NBC's single-camera comedies in the early 2010s. Unfortunately for NBC, the general public didn't agree.
51. Police Squad! (ABC, 1982)
I loved Police Squad!, but how does a show that only lasted 6 episodes on American TV before cancellation nearly sniff the top 50 comedies of all time?!
All of those shows are good besides The Office. 30 Rock is very underrated imo
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The one thing I like about this list is that at least Barney Miller and The Bob Newhart Show placed in it-- those are my two favorite comedies of the 70s (have each one in full on DVD-- both are well worth the money).
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The Big Dummies had Sanford and Son 80th. 80th out of 100.

Soap is 87th. I just rewatched the series online and it was one of the most original and absolutely hilarious shows ever made.
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Not in any order (had trouble reaching 100):

I Love Lucy
The Andy Griffith Show
The Dick Van Dyke Show
Mary Tyler Moore
MASH
Bewitched
I Dream of Jeannie
Leave it to Beaver
The Munsters
The Addams Family
Seinfeld
Cheers
Taxi
The Beverly Hillbillies
Green Acres
Petticoat Junction
The Donna Reed Show
The Bob Newhart Show
All in the Family
Maude
The Jeffersons
The Golden Girls
Get Smart
Hogan's Heroes
Gidget
The Burns & Allen Show
The Jack Benny Program
The Honeymooners
The Flintstones
The Jetsons
Happy Days
Curb Your Enthusiasm
Absolutely Fabulous
Keeping Up Appearances
The Office
Friends
Gilligan's Island
The Brady Bunch
Make Room For Daddy
Father Knows Best
Gomer Pyle USMC
The Monkees
Batman
The Simpsons
Malcom in the Middle
Sex and the City
That 70's Show
Laverne & Shirley
That Girl
The Flying Nun
My Favorite Martian
The Partridge Family
Three's Company
Frasier
Roseanne
The Big Bang Theory
Everybody Loves Raymond
Top Cat
Sgt. Bilko
McHale's Navy
Dobie Gillis
My Three Sons
Family Affair
Pee Wee's Playhouse
Futurama
South Park
Murphy Brown
Scooby Doo, Where Are You?
Josie and the Pussycats
The Mothers in Law
The Patty Duke Show
Mr. Ed
The Ghost and Mrs. Muir
Square Pegs
Nanny and the Professor
Good Times
Car 54, Where Are You?
F Troop
The Joey Bishop Show
The Paul Lynde Show
Newhart
Two and a Half Men
Police Squad
When Things Were Rotten
My World and Welcome to It
Phyllis
Rhoda
Fawlty Towers
Mama's Family
Young Sheldon
The Lucy Show
One Day at a Time (OG)
My Living Doll
The Pruitts of Southhampton
Will & Grace
The Odd Couple
Designing Women
Parker Lewis Can't Lose
Sanford & Son
The Courtship of Eddie's Father
The Cosby Show, Night Court, Who's The Boss, A Different World, Mork & Mindy, Gimme A Break!, Family Ties, 227, Perfect Strangers, Family Matters, Alice, Living Single, The Facts Of Life, WKRP In Cincinnati, Diff'rent Strokes?

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A real and accurate list would have the majority of shows they listed be shows that started during the 1950s, 60s and 70s as being the best. Their list means nothing.
A bias-free version of this list would not have too much from one era (i.e. pre-Rural Purge or 21st century), and I guess would lean more towards the 70s, 80s, and 90s. I'm afraid there's just no way to compile a "Best of All Time in ANYTHING" list without at least ONE fight/argument/dispute.
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All of those shows are good besides The Office. 30 Rock is very underrated imo
I wasn't criticizing those shows, just noting that NBC had ratings troubles in those days, and those sitcoms weren't helping much. In general, I have a hard time watching single-camera comedies (with a couple of exceptions), so I haven't even tried to watch those shows. It's just hard for me to get into the "rhythm" of shows like that. I think the general public is similar, as considering the historical success rate (in terms of ratings, not quality) of multi-cam vs. single-cam sitcoms, the multi-cams have had more hits. I don't even knock NBC for keeping those shows on the air, as none of the networks have had a good formula for pumping out successful comedies for most of this century. If NBC's choice was between putting out niche sitcoms that are only cult/critical favorites, producing tired conventional sitcoms that only a few more people were watching, or dumping comedies completely and going only with drama/reality/newsmagazine shows, then I think its decision to keep the cult sitcoms on the air was the best one out of a set of lousy options.
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If measured by long-term syndication success, the single camera shows have proved perhaps more durable and timeless (save I Love Lucy, Dick Van Dyke, and Mary Tyler Moore - all filmed 3-camera) - partly because of the filmic appeal? (--see Bewitched, Gilligan's Island, I Dream of Jeannie, The Brady Bunch, The Munsters, Leave it to Beaver, MASH, Andy Griffith, Beverly Hillbillies, Green Acres, Hogan's Heroes, Get Smart, The Flintstones, etc. -- the best of these never age).

Norman Lear's staged shows seem somehow more dated in their topicality and use of videotape.
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I think that these are a whole different breed from the single cameras of recent years. There was a little knot of "quirky" single cameras c. 1970 - My World and Welcome To It, the original Bill Cosby Show, first season of The Odd Couple - that seem to be pointing right toward the current shows, but they got avalanched by the live audience shows from Lear, MTM, and others.
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This is my list of the top 100 best sitcoms.

This is NOT my top 10 favorites. There are a few shows on here that I don’t even like. But I’m trying to compile a fair list, which isn’t just shows I love. Only American shows and only live-action. Also, I’m not a snob. I include ALL kinds of sitcoms in here. It’s anything from “M*A*SH” to “Saved by the Bell”.

Here’s the list…
(in alphabetical order)

#1. The Abbott and Costello Show
#2. Alice
#3. All in the Family
#4. The Andy Griffith Show
#5. Arrested Development
#6. Barney Miller
#7. Benson
#8. The Beverly Hillbillies
#9. Bewitched
#10. The Big Bang Theory
#11. Blossom
#12. The Bob Newhart Show
#13. Boy Meets World
#14. The Brady Bunch
#15. Car 54, Where Are You?
#16. Cheers
#17. Chico and the Man
#18. Coach
#19. Community
#20. The Cosby Show
#21. Curb Your Enthusiasm
#22. Designing Women
#23. The Dick Van Dyke Show
#24. Diff’rent Strokes
#25. A Different World
#26. Ellen
#27. Everybody Loves Raymond
#28. F Troop
#29. The Facts of Life
#30. Family Matters
#31. Family Ties
#32. Frasier
#33. The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
#34. Friends
#35. Full House
#36. The George Burns and Gracie Allen Show
#37. George Lopez
#38. Get Smart
#39. Gilligan’s Island
#40. The Golden Girls
#41. Gomer Pyle, U.S.M.C.
#42. Good Times
#43. Green Acres
#44. Grounded for Life
#45. Happy Days
#46. Home Improvement
#47. The Honeymooners
#48. How I Met Your Mother
#49. I Dream of Jeannie
#50. I Love Lucy
#51. It’s Garry Shandling’s Show
#52. The Jeffersons
#53. The King of Queens
#54. Laverne & Shirley
#55. Leave It to Beaver
#56. M*A*S*H
#57. Mama’s Family
#58. The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis
#59. Married… with Children
#60. Martin
#61. The Mary Tyler Moore Show
#62. Maude
#63. The Middle
#64. Mister Ed
#65. Modern Family
#66. Mom
#67. The Monkees
#68. Mork & Mindy
#69. The Munsters
#70. Murphy Brown
#71. My Three Sons
#72. My Name Is Earl
#73. Newhart
#74. NewsRadio
#75. Night Court
#76. The Odd Couple (1970s)
#77. The Office
#78. One Day at a Time (1970s/80s)
#79. Parks & Recreation
#80. Perfect Strangers
#81. The Phil Silvers Show
#82. Rhoda
#83. Roseanne / The Conners
#84. Sanford and Son
#85. Saved by the Bell
#86. Scrubs
#87. Seinfeld
#88. Soap
#89. Spin City
#90. Step by Step
#91. Superstore
#92. Taxi
#93. That ‘70s Show
#94. 3rd Rock from the Sun
#95. 30 Rock
#96. Three’s Company
#97. Welcome Back, Kotter
#98. What’s Happening!!
#99. Will & Grace
#100. Wings
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