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Old 12-15-2009, 02:53 PM   #46
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Yeah, I would agree, Mysteryphile. I don't remember the exact year when the murder occurred but it was in the early eighties. I don't know why he would go to UM on his own accord and ask them to do the story if he was guilty. Best to "let sleeping dogs lie", as they say.
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This case is definitely quite intriguing. I also find it strange that rather than try to locate the killer, Timothy simply wants to clear his name.

However, I'm inclined to agree with CD. After all, his mother was an elderly woman in a casino parking lot at night. Her purse was missing. If that doesn't scream scenerio for a robbery, I don't know what does. If they had found her purse in the car with her, I might be more convinced that the son did it.

Someone brought up in an earlier post that they don't mention how she died. Do we know she was shot or was she beaten? Is it possible she died accidently during a quarrel?
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Someone brought up in an earlier post that they don't mention how she died. Do we know she was shot or was she beaten? Is it possible she died accidently during a quarrel?[/QUOTE]

I saw the segment this morning...I believe it said she was shot.

Edit: just re-watched segment...she was shot twice in the head.
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Old 12-15-2009, 06:24 PM   #49
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This case is definitely quite intriguing. I also find it strange that rather than try to locate the killer, Timothy simply wants to clear his name.

However, I'm inclined to agree with CD. After all, his mother was an elderly woman in a casino parking lot at night. Her purse was missing. If that doesn't scream scenerio for a robbery, I don't know what does. If they had found her purse in the car with her, I might be more convinced that the son did it.

Someone brought up in an earlier post that they don't mention how she died. Do we know she was shot or was she beaten? Is it possible she died accidently during a quarrel?
There are too many things that point to Timothy doing this. I will never believe she was robbed.
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I believe she was shot in the head. Okay, the big issue I have with Tim McClure doing this is, where did he get the murder weapon? Did Tim and his wife drive themselves to the wedding or were they driven there by someone else? Did Tim McClure own a pistol and did he have one with him that night? That is the issue I have is where would he suddenly get this murder weapon from? It just seems weird to me that he would kill his mother. Yes some parts of Tim's story do not jive and obviously the fact he flunked the lie detector test miserably does not look good although both of these facts hardly mean he is a for sure killer. Hosted by Robert Stack brought up a pretty good possible theory of why Tim McClure would kill his mother and truth be told so far it is the only theory I have heard that really makes any sense.

Basically, while this case, I guess you could try to make a circumstantial case out of this but even in that regard this case is very weak. I mean yes you can speculate about certain things but there are really no hard facts that point for sure to Tim McClure or that Tim McClure cannot explain away. So I can see why McClure was never charged by the DA in this case. The cops arrested him once for this back in 1992 but McClure was released when the DA declined to pursue an indictment.

I mean really, the only things you have in this case are this. McClure's alibi was spotty at best and could not be substantiated by anyone. So you have at least a two hour window where McClure so far has not been accounted for. McClure claimed he was gambling alone for two hours. This in itself was unusual as it was his wedding night yet he goes off gambling by himself for two hours? Like I said, his alibi is shaky at best. While it cannot be proven it cannot be disproven either. But it tends to look bad to people when you do not have a solid alibi.

McClure failing the lie detector test. This I do not think would be admissible in court. Under Nevada law, lie detector test results are only in admissible in court if BOTH the prosecution and the defense agree to allow it to be admitted. The prosecution would obviously love to have the lie detector results admitted but the defense would not. So I do not think McClure's lie detector results would be admitted into evidence, thus the jury would never hear about it. Now McClure did submit to questioning by police and all of that would come into evidence assuming they read his miranda rights to him and everything was properly done with that. I am assuming his lawyer would try to get his statements suppressed but it is not easy to accomplish this.

Basically, the case would be completely circumstantial. In this regard, the case leans in McClure's favor as there are no eyewitnesses and no physical evidence tying him to the crime. You have no murder weapon, not only can they not tie McClure to the gun, but they cannot tie anyone to the gun because the murder weapon was never found. There was no blood, fingerprints, etc on Tim McClure. Basically, I think this case would have been solved one way or another IF Terri McClure had been found dead the first night. McClure would not have had time to change his clothes, they would have been able to test them to see if there was blood on them. Plus they would have been able to get McClure on the spot and lock him into a story early.

McClure also could not be tied to his mother purse or the fact that he threw it out the window. IF McClure killed his mother, clearly he was doing something during those two or so hours that he was unaccounted for. But doing what? I say if he was the killer, during that time he disposed of the murder weapon and threw his mother's purse out the window to make it look like she was the victim of a robbery.

I still do not really have a motive for this, if Tim McClure did it. I do not think that the insurance money was the motive. I also do not think the crime was pre meditated. I think it was something that whoever did it lost control and killed Terri McClure and then went to cover it up. I also have trouble with the fact that in a busy casino parking lot, no one saw anything or heard anything. Someone also propped Terri McClure's head up against a pillow in her car to make it appear she was sleeping.
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...Someone also propped Terri McClure's head up against a pillow in her car to make it appear she was sleeping.
This may sound like a silly question, but were the police able to track down where this pillow came from? Most people don't keep a pillow in their car. Assuming that most people have 2 of the same pillows for their bed, was this Terri or Tim McClure's pillow? Great post Kadrmas15, as there are so many unanswered questions in this case.
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This may sound like a silly question, but were the police able to track down where this pillow came from? Most people don't keep a pillow in their car. Assuming that most people have 2 of the same pillows for their bed, was this Terri or Tim McClure's pillow? Great post Kadrmas15, as there are so many unanswered questions in this case.
You know RS never mentioned the pillow...do we know if thats actually how her head was found? I always wondered if the crew did that to make her head easier to see for filming/viewing purposes. I still think being shot and robbed in the parking lot of a casino late at night is the likely way she was killed.
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I still think being shot and robbed in the parking lot of a casino late at night is the likely way she was killed.
I agree with you on that scenario. I mean, there are a lot of desparate, money hungry gamblers at casinos that would do anything for a few bucks, just so they can get that gambling fix. Yes, Tim McClure looks "guilty as sin" during his UM interview with his stuttering and nervousness, but maybe he's just a nervous type of person.
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I watched this again today.

One small thing I noticed that might indicate he did it (apparently some of you already noticed) - there was a pillow placed under her head. This strikes me as the act of someone who "cares" about the victim. If it were some random perp, why would he set her up like that?

The question I have now is was the re-enactment true to life? Was she actually found that way?
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Hmm, Justin, I noticed this too as I pointed out above. However it is unknown for sure whether that is how she was actually found. While your interpretation of why the pillow would be there I actually had a different interpretation of it. I always thought the killer put the pillow there and leaned her up against it to make it appear as though she was sleeping to passerby's thus it would not look suspicious. I mean I think most of us have seen a person sleeping in their car in a parking lot from time to time.
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I always thought the killer put the pillow there and leaned her up against it to make it appear as though she was sleeping to passerby's thus it would not look suspicious. I mean I think most of us have seen a person sleeping in their car in a parking lot from time to time.
I think the Pillow might have been used to muffle the gunshot. Not having anywhere else to put the pillow, the killer may have just used it to prop up the body. I wonder if their were

The problem I have with Tim McClure's innocence is the credit card cancelling scenario. Anyone have any other explanation for this.
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It just seems weird to me that he would kill his mother. Yes some parts of Tim's story do not jive and obviously the fact he flunked the lie detector test miserably does not look good although both of these facts hardly mean he is a for sure killer. Hosted by Robert Stack brought up a pretty good possible theory of why Tim McClure would kill his mother and truth be told so far it is the only theory I have heard that really makes any sense.
I wonder if Tim is the only beneficiary of his mother's estate? If a will was drawn up. That there is money worth killing for. Add that to the expenses of a wedding and taking care of a new wife. I could easily see Tim willing to kill his mother for money.

I also find it interesting that his wife was polygraphed and flunked the one question as "who killed Mrs. McClure".
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I also find it interesting that his wife was polygraphed and flunked the one question as "who killed Mrs. McClure".
I do too, and it was strange that he would volunteer this information because it makes him look guilty. It suggests that he failed his test because he killed her, and his wife passed hers except for that question because she was not involved but knows that he did it. However, it may just mean that she suspects he may have done it or is worried that he may have.

I suspect that he did it but there is nowhere near enough evidence that 'proves' that it was him. I believe that there is a lot that we don't know about their relationship and his motivation. I would say that maybe it was just the result of a heated argument, but that wouldn't explain the fact that she was killed with a gun.

As someone else mentioned, it is REALLY odd that he would say he wants someone to come forward so he can get his name cleared, rather than that he wants someone to come forward so he can find his mother's killer.
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As someone else mentioned, it is REALLY odd that he would say he wants someone to come forward so he can get his name cleared, rather than that he wants someone to come forward so he can find his mother's killer.
There is a part at the end where McClure says something like (paraphrasing):

"maybe someone who saw something pertaining to my mother's death but was afraid to say something will come forward now".

so he does sort of comment on finding the real killers. It's buried at the end of the segment, but it's there.

Along those lines, I must say I did think UM's presentation was kind of strange. They didn't even touch on alternate theories as to who could have killed Terri McClure.

Maybe Tim felt he needed to clear his name to get the police to look at other possibilities.

I feel that if he did do it, it must have been a spur of the moment thing, like an argument that escalated to violence. I just can't see the guy planning to kill his mother on his wedding night over a lousy 5k that he would ultimately have to split with his sister.
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This guy just acts so guilty!

Tim says that when he realised that the police were suspicious of him, he "started to feel like the victim". Does anyone else find this a strange statement? Of course the police are going to consider him as a potential suspect, he was the last person to see the victim and he has no alibi for 2 hours after her disappearance. His mother has been murdered, and HE feels like the victim?!

Tim says his wife was still gambling with her parents, so he gambled alone for two hours. Does this mean that shortly after he says he dropped off his mother, he met with them briefly?

Two days before her body was found, he said he was looking for her purse. This was before anyone knew that her purse was missing.

He looked for his mother's car in the parking lots of all the casinos that were along his mother's route home, except for one - the one where her car was.

He called the credit company, apparently indicated that his mother was dead and cancelled the account. He did this a couple of days before his mother was murdered. I think that this is probably just an error. Maybe the person wrote down the wrong date, and assumed that the mother was dead. Nobody is stupid enough to cancel the credit cards of someone they plan to murder. He would not benefit from cancelling her cards prematurely.
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There is a part at the end where McClure says something like (paraphrasing):

"maybe someone who saw something pertaining to my mother's death but was afraid to say something will come forward now".

so he does sort of comment on finding the real killers. It's buried at the end of the segment, but it's there.

Along those lines, I must say I did think UM's presentation was kind of strange. They didn't even touch on alternate theories as to who could have killed Terri McClure.

Maybe Tim felt he needed to clear his name to get the police to look at other possibilities.

I feel that if he did do it, it must have been a spur of the moment thing, like an argument that escalated to violence. I just can't see the guy planning to kill his mother on his wedding night over a lousy 5k that he would ultimately have to split with his sister.
Yep, you're right. At the end he says like 'somebody must've seen what happened to my mother'. I agree that it is strange that UM didn't say much about what else could've happened to her.

The policy was for 10k, so his share was 5k. This was in 1983, so I'm not sure what that would be in today's money.
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