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Old 08-04-2006, 10:17 AM   #16
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I tend to lean toward innocent for the same basic reasons crystaldawn emphasized. She probably stole them from me in a different thread on this topic.
Don't flatter yourself Awsi..... I would say great minds think alike but I don't really think it applies here.

The motive of course would be robbery. I've never been to those casinos but I'm guessing robbery is quite common around there (maybe Awsi can enlighten us) you know people who are desperate with gambling addictions or who lost all their money and want to keep gambling. Anyway it seems logical to me if she was found shot to death in her car in a casino parking lot and her purse missing robbery is probably the reason.

Yes I wonder why Crushed Velvet hasn't posted in so long. Also mortytbusybody....something very strange is going on with her.
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Many people think that it would be unbelievable to kill his mother for only $5,000. But, apparently, he might of been a gambling addict & desperate for any amount of money.
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Old 08-04-2006, 11:15 AM   #18
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Many people think that it would be unbelievable to kill his mother for only $5,000. But, apparently, he might of been a gambling addict & desperate for any amount of money.
That is true. He did mention gambling and going to casinos a lot.
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Yes it seems stupid to murder someone over this little amount. However I have heard & read stories of people getting murdered for far less then this amount so I do believe it is possible that he did murder his mother. I mean in ways this would be a great time to do something like this. I know it does sound crazy but what person whould murder there own mother on the night they got married??? Most people are not gonna believe something like that. Good cover up.
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Also, did anyone notice how much Tim McClure was studdering during the interview? I have never heard someone studder do much, very apparent that he was a bundle of nerves.
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I thought he was guilty as sin while watching this segment the other day. For me, there were far too many coincidences involved that have already been mentioned. The purse thing, him looking at all the casino lots EXCEPT where she was found, the credit card date...

I don't normally give much credence to lie detectors, but I thought it was telling that the one question his wife failed was if she knew who killed his mother.

I agree that some of his responses were a little off...too defensive.
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Old 08-04-2006, 06:14 PM   #22
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Don't flatter yourself Awsi..... I would say great minds think alike but I don't really think it applies here.

The motive of course would be robbery. I've never been to those casinos but I'm guessing robbery is quite common around there (maybe Awsi can enlighten us) you know people who are desperate with gambling addictions or who lost all their money and want to keep gambling. Anyway it seems logical to me if she was found shot to death in her car in a casino parking lot and her purse missing robbery is probably the reason.
Actually I've been fattening myself. That's a natural residue of staying indoors too much during a lovely 110 degree summer.

Gambling addiction leads to theft, no doubt about it. I've mentioned my friend Larry Mathews was murdered in spring 2004, apparently with robbery as the motive. He made the mistake of bragging about his winnings and bankroll.

Crime has gone up dramatically here in recent years. In fact, it's a big topic in the current election for sheriff. Every study indicates gamblers are much more concerned with being in action than dollar amount, so $5000 could be plenty, with that psychological aspect in mind.

I don't know if it's related to the crime wave, but in the mid '90s thru maybe 2001 or 2002 it was simple to make money on slot machines if you knew what you were doing. They had bonus type machines, called Vision machines, that tourists would unknowingly abandon on the verge of the bonus. Dozens or hundreds of those machines in every major casino. People were quitting high paying jobs to play slot machines for a living. In the heyday you could average $25 an hour no problem, then with the occasional huge spin. I know people who set themselves up for life via playing those machines.

Anyway, the tapouts used them as a means to keep money in their pocket. Now those machines are all but gone and the tapouts have turned to crime. I've heard tons of related stories.

Plus, when you get the older hotels imploded to make way for modern billion dollar ones, those new hotels are not tolerant of the local bums and hustlers, so they quickly kick them out. No doubt that leads to more scams and street crime.
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Yes I wonder why Crushed Velvet hasn't posted in so long. Also mortytbusybody....something very strange is going on with her.
Add Blackout805 to this list. I miss having feuds with him about who's the bigger 2pac fan.
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I'm pretty sure that Tim publicly admitted that he failed the lie detector test, but said it wasn't administered properly. I have heard a few suspects in other cases say that. My only question is, how does a lie detector test not get administered properly? Don't they use only yes or no questions?
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Wow. I had no idea it had been so long since this thread had been bumped. I just saw the segment the other day and came here and typed "McClure" and this was the first one that came up.

I believe this didn't happen in Vegas. Or Reno. Rather, it was Lake Tahoe, IIRC.

I've decided that Tim McClure is either innocent, or one of the dumbest murderers in American history. I think the investigation started with him, and his weird behavior raised some questions, and they zeroed in on him, and refused to let up.

Although the whole scenario surrounding his mother's murder still baffles me, regardless of who committed it. How could his mom's dead body, shot twice in the head, sit in a casino parking lot for three days? Someone must have moved her car into position right before she was found. There's no way she could spend three days out there. The only possibility I could think of was perhaps there was little blood (despite what the segment showed) and it looked like she was sleeping.

Still, the biggest "What the hell?" moment for me was Tim searching "every casino parking lot", except of course the one his mother's car was in. That makes no sense, and doesn't do him any good at all. I think he "went looking" for his mother, and well, didn't for some reason. That's just too odd of a coincidence.

Hell, screw it. I'm on the fence again. Why would he gamble by himself, and not with his new wife and her family? Perhaps it's because he was KILLING HIS MOTHER for those 2 hours?

Ugh. Even if he did kill his mom, why then? Wouldn't it be a lot easier to go shoot her in her house, rather than try and slip out on your wedding night and leave her in a parking lot?

I guess we'll never know................it's truly one of those Unsolved Mysteries that truly fit the bill of the show. And that segment was damn creepy as well, not showing his mom dead until JUST the right moment, complete with a thunderous, frightening bass note. Ah, I miss that show.
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If it was Lake Tahoe that's even more bizarre. Those major casinos in south Lake Tahoe are in a very confined area along the one main road. I've been there many times including in April. Now if it's north Lake Tahoe near Incline Village you have much smaller casinos that are more spread out.
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His mom lived in Reno I think but werent they at a casino in Carson City? I think it was Carson City although I could be wrong on that. He got married in Lake Tahoe but I thought they moved over to casino's in Carson City I could be wrong on that though. Carson City isnt far from Lake Tahoe so that is possible. I dont know, personally I think he killed his mom but then everytime I think he for sure did it, I get pulled back into the unsure column because it doesnt make sense why he would do it unless he was that desperate for cash that he was willing to kill his mother over 5,000 dollars.
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His mom lived in Reno I think but werent they at a casino in Carson City? I think it was Carson City although I could be wrong on that. He got married in Lake Tahoe but I thought they moved over to casino's in Carson City I could be wrong on that though. Carson City isnt far from Lake Tahoe so that is possible. I dont know, personally I think he killed his mom but then everytime I think he for sure did it, I get pulled back into the unsure column because it doesnt make sense why he would do it unless he was that desperate for cash that he was willing to kill his mother over 5,000 dollars.
OK, now we're getting somewhere. Last night when I was posting in regard to the Lake Tahoe reference I was thinking it makes much more sense to miss a parking lot if it's Carson City. I was in Carson City this April also and visited those casinos. It's the state capital and much more "normal" than Reno or Las Vegas. There are casinos right there near the capital buildings but also spread out many miles including east toward Dayton. I could definitely see missing a parking lot in Carson City since the casinos kind of pop out of nowhere, no all-casino areas like Las vegas. They aren't the most modern casinos, either, so I'm wondering how sophisticated the surveillance system would have been.

Carson City isn't far from Reno or Lake Tahoe, maybe 40 miles or less from each depending what part of Tahoe you're talking about.
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I still think Tim is as guilty as sin. I could perhaps write off one of the coincidences as just that: a coincidence, but when you have about a half a dozen or so of them, something smells fishy. It is possible that the mother hit a jackpot at the casino, and somebody in the casino realized this and, figuring that since she was elderly that she would be an easy target. But there are just too many unexplained things relating to Tim.

One thing I'm wondering about is how did Tim know to look at just casinos? Perhaps I missed this: maybe in the segment it had stated that the mother told Tim she was going to a casino after the wedding. But unless that happened, how would Tim have known to look at just casinos and not anywhere else.

I'm wondering if the mother lay dead in the parking lot for the three days, or if the car was moved and then brought back. If the car had been moved, I would be even more convinced that it was Tim who murdered her. Had it been a random shooter, it seems like they would have been more likely to just leave her there, but had Tim did it, he could have brought it to the casino to give the inclination that somebody else did it. (kind of like Jules Caylor supposedly dropping off Dottie at the bus station) Anything's possible though. Also, since odds would have it that Tim had rode in his mother's car before, he could have his fingerprints all over the car and it wouldn't necessarily be considered suspicious.

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I believe that car she was in was placed there shortly before she was found. I am having a real hard time believing that she sat in that car for 3 days & noone noticed her. Especially in a Casino parking lot.
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