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Old 09-08-2009, 11:21 AM   #16
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I agree, but it leads to two points,

1. why DB Cooper has not been identified yet. Someone has been missing for all this time, why has that disappearance not been connected to Cooper.
I don't put much stock in someone missing him, there are a lot of unidentified remains on the Doe Network. Plus he was old enough to just vanish without family members thinking anything of it.

This is assuming that members of his family were alive when he jumped, it could be that the family died off and he was the last one left. Probably was a bit of a loner and didn't have many friends, if at all to miss him. Tying in with that, he could have cut off all communications with his family years prior and they thought nothing of it, as he could have had limited contact with them before the jump.



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2. I find it hard to believe that DB Cooper would try this without a reasonable belief that he would could escape and survive the jump. i wonder if peoplke are looking to much into the dummy parachute. professionals have been unknown to make egregious errors in times of pressure. There was alson no reason for DB Cooper to jump at that particular moment. Other than he had his cash and knew he would be arrested once the plane landed.

That to me is the reason why i believe there is a slim

The thing is, what if he actually had no, or very little knowledge in parachuting. He could have figured that well since he had a parachute that he could safely land on the ground. I can not see a knowledgeable parachuter jumping in those types of conditions, as they would know how unsafe it was to jump in those conditions.

Just throwing out my opinion and other ideas.


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I think the big thing is this guy was not dressed for, and didn't really appear to be prepared for, a week or more in adverse conditions in one of the biggest forests in America. So, even if he survived the jump (not a guarantee by any stretch), he landed at night, in a deep, deep woods, in a cold, driving rain. He had no boat with which to navigate rivers. I'm sure at the time there was a full public alert out on suspicious people trying to hitchike out of the area, so even if he found a way out to a road, it would have been difficult for him to get a ride anywhere without arousing suspiscion. He would have landed where he didn't know where he was, in poor clothing for the conditions, in the dark, and in the rain, and in a situation where hitchiking would have been dangerous for him. How exactly did he get out of where he landed? And if he did get out, why did he leave a substantial sum of money behind?
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I think the big thing is this guy was not dressed for, and didn't really appear to be prepared for, a week or more in adverse conditions in one of the biggest forests in America. So, even if he survived the jump (not a guarantee by any stretch), he landed at night, in a deep, deep woods, in a cold, driving rain. He had no boat with which to navigate rivers. I'm sure at the time there was a full public alert out on suspicious people trying to hitchike out of the area, so even if he found a way out to a road, it would have been difficult for him to get a ride anywhere without arousing suspiscion. He would have landed where he didn't know where he was, in poor clothing for the conditions, in the dark, and in the rain, and in a situation where hitchiking would have been dangerous for him. How exactly did he get out of where he landed? And if he did get out, why did he leave a substantial sum of money behind?
1.After the landing, it is not crazy to assume he survived, since we have several stories of people surviving the woods with similar clothing and lack of tools. One point that has to be noted is that nobody saw Cooper Jump, so we don't know what was done before the jump or what he had in his pockets or in that briefcase.

2. A lot of Coopers Survival post landing depends on whether he had an accomplice. One theory that has been postulated is that DB Cooper may have had some sort of homing device in his pocket. Such a device would seem logical and not that difficult to obtain for a military person. The device could range from the crude to the high tech. Such a device could easily be spotted from a plane. Heck DB Cooper wouldn't even need to survive, either!. The homing device would lead the accomplice right were the money landed along with Cooper's Body. The accomplice could take the money and leave Coopers body.

3. If you really think about it the crux of the Cooper didn't survive is that Cooper's chute never opened. I think a lot of people believe that if Cooper's chute had opened Cooper's survival chances could be greater.

4. Again, you have to wonder why Cooper decided to jump then and there unless he had a feeling he could have survived.

5. I believe there is a stuntman who attempted to do the DB Cooper jump and survived. Anyone know the story and the jumper.

6. As crazy as it sounds, keep in mind that nobody ever saw DB Cooper jump. It's assumed that's what happened. While I don;t believe this theory, there have been some people who believe that DB Cooper never jumped and simply hid on the plane and walked out like everyone else. Very "Inside Man" like.

While I believe Cooper died on his jump, I don;t believe the possibility of surviving should be ruled out so directly. Until someone can identify Cooper I'm under the assumption that DB Cooper is a wanted man.
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The thing is, what if he actually had no, or very little knowledge in parachuting. He could have figured that well since he had a parachute that he could safely land on the ground. I can not see a knowledgeable parachuter jumping in those types of conditions, as they would know how unsafe it was to jump in those conditions.
But he did know a lot about plans and particularly how to operate the landing on a DC-10. DB cooper was most likely in the military involving planes which means he would have had some training in parachuting. Especially if he was a pilot which is a strong possibility.

People forget that pilots are not trained to be professional jumpers like Airborne Rangers. They usually know the rudiments and are taught to expect to land in water and bad whether and to jump out of a cockpit. Especially in older Korean War or Vietnam War planes that did not always have good ejection seats. I have to imagine jumping out of a cockpit over the pacific is ten times worse than what Cooper had to do.

You know, that would explain why he would not know that his chute was properly prepared. Most pilots chutes are stuffed by other people and they usually don't know the make up. I doubt your average F-22 pilot knows other than the basics checklist what is pack actually consists of.
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I don't put much stock in someone missing him, there are a lot of unidentified remains on the Doe Network. Plus he was old enough to just vanish without family members thinking anything of it.
few of those cases involve:

1. missing same time DB Cooper jumped, which half the country saw on TV news reports.
2. A person that is in the military, of Coopers age, ascent.
3. A person That is being search for Massively FBI and international police.



Most of the unidentified missing remains are most likely murders. DB Cooper was most likely not murdered.
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few of those cases involve:

1. missing same time DB Cooper jumped, which half the country saw on TV news reports.
2. A person that is in the military, of Coopers age, ascent.
3. A person That is being search for Massively FBI and international police.



Most of the unidentified missing remains are most likely murders. DB Cooper was most likely not murdered.

I used the Doe Network as an example on how someone could disappear/die and no one notice. I was not trying to imply that he was in there somewhere amongst those.

I feel if he were in the military, someone would have recognized him and pipe in to say that I served with him in this platoon, we were stationed at X, or we were deployed to the same area. Yes the military is huge, but you know those you served with, did basics with or something.

I just think that even though this may have seemed like a well planned event, it just really wasn't. I think we might possibly all agree that D.B.Cooper was not his real name.


As for the conditions of the jump, again if he were experienced he would have to have known the likelihood of not landing safely in the the weather that night. It may be a big clue as to why he jump at that spot and no one has figured it out yet.

So my mind wonders if he did this to prove you could, and he didn't care if he lived or died after the jump. I also feel that there is something so obvious that he keeps being overlooked, but I couldn't begin to tell you what as well then it wouldn't be missed.


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So my mind wonders if he did this to prove you could, and he didn't care if he lived or died after the jump. I also feel that there is something so obvious that he keeps being overlooked, but I couldn't begin to tell you what as well then it wouldn't be missed.
1. But, DB Cooper's plan was not original. It had been thought of prior by several criminals and had been copied by several others and done successfully. His plan was not without it's merits.

2. You don't find it interesting that DB Cooper jumped once he had his money first?

3. Remember that DB Cooper used an alias. And had threatened that he had a bomb. He also had an idea of how much money he wanted and want his demands were. He chose a plan to board that he new the schematics of. DB Cooper had a plan. This was not not a spur of the moment thing. Cooper had thought about pulling this caper of for a while. He probably came up with the plan in

4. Every robber and criminal accepts a huge risk of like in doing any crime . I don't think the reason Cooper jumped was that he felt nobody would care about him. I think Cooper jumped because he didn't want to spend his life in prison when he landed and he felt he had more than a 50% chance of escaping with a huge payday. How is what Cooper did any more dangerous than holding up a bank if you think about it or selling drugs on a street corner in South D.C.?

Ultimatly I think the real reason Cooper has not been identified is that he is a career criminal and that he has several alias and has always disappeared or is moving. Being a criminal he would have no ties and would be prepared to leave everything at a moments notice. I believe DB Cooper looked at this caper as his "retirement" from crime as well as a human achievement to do the impossible. By nature, most robbers, forgers and fraud artists are arrogant and tend to view and take jobs as a challenge. DB Cooper probably saw this as his crowning achievement to his criminal career.

BTW One reason why DB Cooper may have worn a suit and glasses is due to the practice of robbers or criminals dressing like businessman to avoid suspicion. It's very common for bank robbers to dress like businessman in three piece suits before a job. Possibly another clue to DB Coopers identity.
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Also keep in mind that DB Coopers plan went pretty much flawless up till the jump. The only mistake was the dummy chute. And even there I wonder, what if DB Cooper noticed the chute, what was he going to do? Request another one? That would probably take too much time and risk. I think an experience jumper could still make a jump with the dummy chute. Cooper's plan worked brilliantly till he jumped out. Considering he carried out most of the plan with ease, why would he not be prepared for the jump itself and have a plan there as well.
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I think the big thing is this guy was not dressed for, and didn't really appear to be prepared for, a week or more in adverse conditions in one of the biggest forests in America. So, even if he survived the jump (not a guarantee by any stretch), he landed at night, in a deep, deep woods, in a cold, driving rain. He had no boat with which to navigate rivers. I'm sure at the time there was a full public alert out on suspicious people trying to hitchike out of the area, so even if he found a way out to a road, it would have been difficult for him to get a ride anywhere without arousing suspiscion. He would have landed where he didn't know where he was, in poor clothing for the conditions, in the dark, and in the rain, and in a situation where hitchiking would have been dangerous for him. How exactly did he get out of where he landed? And if he did get out, why did he leave a substantial sum of money behind?
We don't know what he wore under his business suit, nor do we know what he had in his pockets. He might have been wearing Under Armour type of clothing that would help keep him warm. I am not sure about the rain (it was certainly cold, but they didn't say it was raining that night. In his pockets, he might have had survival tools, such as a compass, zippo lighter and pocketknife. As long as he could produce a fire in the wilderness, he could live for a few days out there, plenty of time to escape. He also could have used the compass to find his way out of the woods.

He probably had an accomplice too. He could have gone to a nearby town or gas station out on a remote stretch of highway, called his accomplice to pick him up, then disappear. As for the money he left behind, I see two possibilites:

1) He accidentally dropped the stack on his way out of the woods. The money was found by a lake shore, so he probably drank from it, having no bottled water so he had to drink something to survive, then unnoticingly dropped a stack of the money because he didn't want to carry it in his briefcase or the parachute pack.
2) He landed at a place far from the lake where the stack was found, then planted the money at that lake to throw the authorities off (they would concentrate their search at that lake.
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We don't know what he wore under his business suit, nor do we know what he had in his pockets. He might have been wearing Under Armour type of clothing that would help keep him warm. I am not sure about the rain (it was certainly cold, but they didn't say it was raining that night. In his pockets, he might have had survival tools, such as a compass, zippo lighter and pocketknife. As long as he could produce a fire in the wilderness, he could live for a few days out there, plenty of time to escape. He also could have used the compass to find his way out of the woods.
It has been hypothesized that he may have had some form of a wetsuit or themal gear with cut off sleeves.

You also have to keep in mind that he came aboard with a carryon. God knows what else was in it besides the "bomb".
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Can you imagine the wind blasting at him as he jumped out of the plane? What if he didn't tie the money well enough to himself, and the money sack completely blew off of his body during the descent? All that work, all that daring for.........nothing but the thrill of it. (Actually might have cost him money, counting the plane ticket's cost)
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Can you imagine the wind blasting at him as he jumped out of the plane? What if he didn't tie the money well enough to himself, and the money sack completely blew off of his body during the descent? All that work, all that daring for.........nothing but the thrill of it. (Actually might have cost him money, counting the plane ticket's cost)
True. But keep in mind that other people have planned the same caper before and after Cooper jumped. The risk of the money blowing away had to occur to them as well as Cooper at some point.I don't think there is really any other was to secure the money except to simply take the risk of losing some.

A point that I think gets overlooked is that DB Coopers plan was not original. It had been thought of by several people other than Cooper. This was not a spontaneous act. Cooper thought about doing this caper way before his jump.
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I think Cooper is definitely dead. Take the time of year, it was November and would have been cold, he most assuredly didn't know what location he was jumping out at being that it was pitch black outside, and he probably landed in Lake Merwin. He would have only had very few minutes to get out of that water and get warm and dry before hypothermia set in. And wherever he landed after his jump he was most likely injured because of the distance of the jump and the dark of night. Him being injured would have been a major hinderance to him, and he would have had to get help awful quick. I think when he landed he broke his leg on the way down and died from his injuries and they never found his body!

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If he got the chute open, I just wonder where it is/was. They never found it, despite extensive aerial searches.
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If he got the chute open, I just wonder where it is/was. They never found it, despite extensive aerial searches.
1.If he landed, the chute would be useful for shelter and potentially clothing. The chute also could be used to protect the money. If he had a knife he could have torn the chute into several strips.

2. Well he still haven't found his body yet, attached to the unopened pack either.

3. If he landed and and had an accomplice, bringing the chute with them would be a wise decision as to avoid leaving evidence.

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1.He most certainly had matches and/or a lighter.
2. Might have had cigarrettes.
3. His own money and possibly credit cards that would avoid having him use the marked bills.
4. Potentially a knife of some sort (quite possibly a cigar knife or swiss knife). REMEMBER THAT HE MAY BE A CRIMINAL, they usually have a knife on them for protection.
5. Whatever "the bomb" was made of.
6. Whatever else was in the suitcase,
7. His sunglasses
8. Car or house keys,
9. A watch. (and possibly a watch fob, though nobody saw it)
10. A chain for the keys or the watch
11. Fake ID, passport, (badge, military ID, airliner ID?)
12 military dog tags
13. A small caliber pistol ( he would never show this in the plane due to the decompression risk, but it certainly would be important on the ground or in emergencies)
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