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Old 06-22-2012, 05:08 PM   #31
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I feel the same way towards Mrs. Kueter, and too am sorry for her loss.

Meg, I appreciate your giving Tom the benefit of the doubt, but I also think that there is a lot to be suspicious about in this case. I agree with Wishful Dreamer, this is probably a horrible way to commit suicide, which makes me believe that Tom was killed in retaliation, especially since it happened at work where several people could have been involved. That being said, I think Tom had the same motive that a lot of other men have had in the history of the show: he was attracted to his friend's girlfriend, maybe assumed she was too, he made advances, she said no, he raped her and then realized that all hell would break loose when she went to the police and since only two people knew what happened, he felt he had to kill her.

I thought it was interesting in the episode when the friend said that Tom was the kind of guy who would immediately fight if accused of something he didn't do and that it was uncharacteristic for Tom to be tongued tied or reticent when he asked whether Tom was having an affair with his girlfriend. If we trust the friend as a character witness, this suggests Tom had a temper and that same kind of anger might have been explosive if Tina had said or done "the wrong thing" and he was furious.

Of course, this isn't evidence, but again, looking at the other details, how do you explain him being out there at night? Was he just psychic and knew that she was going to have car trouble, or what tipped him off that she would need a ride home? it's not like he even worked there anymore. For me this is the most damning bit of evidence. And given the description of this guy's character - is he really the kind of guy to be so concerned about laundry that he had to do it at 3:30 in the morning...did he even usually do laundry at all or was that his wife. If the idea is that this was exceptional behavior, then I can understand why police had questions. Add this to the fact that he said his car was broken down for hours - no one came forward and said they saw a problem there. So he has car trouble the same night he washes his clothes and he picks Tina up. All of this might have worked for him, even with the suspicion, if it hadn't been for the fact that she was on the phone with her friend. That's the wild card.

I'm not saying you're not entitled to your opinion, but the tone of your message suggests that there's nothing to really suggest Tom is guilty and I'm curious, and I'm not being confrontational, just seriously wondering, how do you reconcile those things?
I just don't like making deductions based on a small amount of information, which is what we often get in UM segments. (I think that's at least part of the reason many of us here are voracious true crime readers--we're looking to fill in the gaps in many of these cases.)

I have one character testament and one theoretical motive (with nothing to really support it, IMO). I have Tom being somewhere late at night and Tom doing his laundry at 3:30 AM. To me, that's still not evidential of his guilt. It goes back to the lack of information. For all we know, maybe he had a legitimate reason to be out there. People aren't perfectly predictable nor do they operate in neat little patterns on a daily basis, I think. Given those two things, I'm not willing to conclude anything.
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I just don't like making deductions based on a small amount of information, which is what we often get in UM segments. (I think that's at least part of the reason many of us here are voracious true crime readers--we're looking to fill in the gaps in many of these cases.)

I have one character testament and one theoretical motive (with nothing to really support it, IMO). I have Tom being somewhere late at night and Tom doing his laundry at 3:30 AM. To me, that's still not evidential of his guilt. It goes back to the lack of information. For all we know, maybe he had a legitimate reason to be out there. People aren't perfectly predictable nor do they operate in neat little patterns on a daily basis, I think. Given those two things, I'm not willing to conclude anything.
I agree that lack of information is frustrating. Sometimes I wish each UM case had a textbook of facts, eyewitness testimony, and character background to go along with each case.
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There's too much of a coincidence in Tina Marcotte disappearing and Tom Kueter dying 4 days later. If Kueter's death was in fact an accident, I think the chances of him being guilty are 75/25. I think I was a bit harsh on him earlier in the thread. As a matter of fact, I think it's entirely possible that (if this was a weird coincidence) police incorrectly assumed that Kueter's death was a suicide, which was the result of his role in Marcotte's disappearance. But I think there's too much strange coincidences in this case to completely dismiss Kueter as being the one responsible for Tina's murder:

-He did report her missing, and also cooperated with police. But his story of fixing his car for 3 to 4 hours without phoning anyone for help (or letting his wife know where he was) is pretty damning, IMO.
-His reaction to Tina's boyfriend questioning Tina's phone call saying that "Tom's here" to her friend. Tina's friend said Kueter became very defensive about it.
-The laundry at 3:30 a.m. Ok, so doing laundry early in the morning might not be suspicious to some people, but he not only washed his clothes, but his shoelaces too.
-His death being four days after she disappeared, and only one day after police said they found blood in his car that they were going to test to see if it belonged to Tina. That's very suspicious.
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Heh. Went to the UM website today and it looks like they now have this case filed away under the "Solved" section:
http://unsolved.com/archives/tom-kueter

All it says is that police investigated it for the next 18 years, but now consider the case to be closed. I guess they must be pretty certain that Tom Kueter killed Tina Marcotte and committed suicide.
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I think there's more evidence to support that Tom harmed Tina than that he took his own life. That is a hell of a way to kill oneself, and I wonder if someone could have knocked him out and positioned his head there in retaliation for what he allegedly did to Tina. Either way, this is one bizarre case.
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I think there's more evidence to support that Tom harmed Tina than that he took his own life. That is a hell of a way to kill oneself, and I wonder if someone could have knocked him out and positioned his head there in retaliation for what he allegedly did to Tina. Either way, this is one bizarre case.
I agree, it seems very likely that Tom killed Tina, but I've always been on the fence about whether he would commit suicide in that fashion. I suppose it's possible it was some sort of freak accident. If the cops decided to close the case. they must be satisfied that there was no third party involved in Tom's death.
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Yes it certainly is likely he killed her. Its hard to get past that odd way of committing suicide. It certainly wasn't foolproof. He had to have known people would have been there right away to help him and there would have been a chance at least that he survived. I wonder if it was just a split second decision on his part and not something he thought out.
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I was going to ask why it was "solved", as I read that it has been solved on the Unsolved Mysteries Wiki, but couldn't find any articles saying that the Rapid City police closed the case. Where did this information come from?
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I think there's enough evidence to suggest that Tom played a part in Tina's disappearance and/or death.

That being said, I don't think he killed himself. I think that he was likely killed in a vigilante style killing by the friends/family of Tina. I have no evidence to back this up. It's just my gut feeling.
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I don't know if this has been brought up before in the thread, but as unlikely as the suicide scenario is, perhaps Keuter did this in such a way to make it not appear like a suicide due to some life insurance policy that wouldn't pay out in the event that he took his own life.

ETA: Just saw on the UM website that Keuter's wife did in fact get an insurance payout 4 years after his death. The website also says Marcotte was found under a wood pile at Keuter's work place.

I think the evidence is clear that Keuter was involved. The clincher, IMO, was the account that Tina's best friend, Vicky, had told. Keuter shows up at Vicky's house, with Tina's boyfriend, acting like a concerned friend. I don't think he knew that Tina told Vicky the night prior that she was being picked up by "Tom". When confronted with this, he tries playing it off like she misheard Tina, but he eventually concedes that he was the only Tom that used to work with Tina. He then goes with the boyfriend to report her missing (again, to appear like a concerned friend), and then when police discovered Tina's car was slashed with a tire, he was asked to come in and give a statement. 3 days later, they interviewed him again at his job (telling him about the blood). The next morning, he was dead. This is no coincidence. I don't think this was a retaliation killing, because up to that point, no one really knew Keuter was the prime suspect other than the police. No one knew about the blood found in Keuter's car. No one knew about the laundry episode, besides his wife. Outside of what the police knew, I don't see how an unknown person would have enough information to go on to suspect him of killing Tina. It was only 4 days after she disappeared. She wasn't even proven to be dead at that point.

Another interesting part of the segment: Keuter never denied being the one to offer Tina a ride. He said Vicky misheard her, but he never outright denied giving her a ride that night.

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I don't know if this has been brought up before in the thread, but as unlikely as the suicide scenario is, perhaps Keuter did this in such a way to make it not appear like a suicide due to some life insurance policy that wouldn't pay out in the event that he took his own life.

ETA: Just saw on the UM website that Keuter's wife did in fact get an insurance payout 4 years after his death. The website also says Marcotte was found under a wood pile at Keuter's work place.
This makes sense to me. Even though I can't imagine the willpower it would take to lie down in front of a forklift and allow it to crush your head, Tom's plan technically worked. Even though the insurance case was tied up in the courts for a few years, a judge ruled that there wasn't enough evidence to prove suicide.

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Outside of what the police knew, I don't see how an unknown person would have enough information to go on to suspect him of killing Tina. It was only 4 days after she disappeared. She wasn't even proven to be dead at that point.
I agree. If there was foul play, it would just have to be an unlikely coincidence of someone wanting to kill Tom for a completely different reason unrelated to Tina. But if the police decided to close the case after 18 years, they must be pretty certain there was no foul play involved.
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For me, the only "mystery" in this case was why UM even bothered with it. It was so obvious that Tom killed Tina. As for whether Tom's death was suicide, accident or foul play, I don't know, but it's somewhat irrelevant IMO. He was a murderer. Good riddance!
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And still no answer as to the alleged source. I wish certain sites linked the source(s) so that it doesn't look like falsified information. I have not found anything stating the closure of the case other than its mention on the Unsolved Mysteries website and Wiki page. For all we know, someone could have hacked their website and added that bit on there, as they've been hacked before.
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I wonder if the "blood found in Tom's car" was a ruse into trying to get Kueter into confessing? Because if they did indeed have blood in his car, they found Tina's body and could have tested it and solved the case years prior. And if they did find blood in his car it's possible that they tested it and it did not match Tina.
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I wonder if the "blood found in Tom's car" was a ruse into trying to get Kueter into confessing? Because if they did indeed have blood in his car, they found Tina's body and could have tested it and solved the case years prior. And if they did find blood in his car it's possible that they tested it and it did not match Tina.
I'd bet real money that it was. I think the authorities felt strongly that Tom did it, but were just short of having an airtight case - hence them goading Tom into confessing it.

This was open and shut.
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