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Old 10-09-2009, 03:21 PM   #91
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The house she was abducted on was not on reservation land whatsoever. It is well within the City of Gallup limits and idk why the FBI was involved. The reservation is located south of the city.
Gallup, NM is right in the heart of several reservations. The situation between the reservation police and Gallup Police Department is much like the Los Angeles County Sherriff and LAPD in Compton, CA. The Gallup PD is constantly in contact with reservation police giving their extremely large Native American population. In fact, Gallup has a specialized task force with the reservation police that deals with drug enforcement in Native Lands. In a missing or abduction case, practically all the local reservation police departments would be called in. And almost certainly the local FBI on those reservations would be begged to participate.

It was an abduction, the FBI is almost always called in by local police. Most likely the reservation FBI would have first been contacted since they were the closest. Then the local FBI would get assistance from agents from the closest Resident Agency.

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The house she was abducted on was not on reservation land whatsoever. It is well within the City of Gallup limits and idk why the FBI was involved. The reservation is located south of the city.
The FBI has jurisdiction over all abduction cases per federal law.

My point above was that I would not suspect the mother (on the reasonable assumption that she would have already been investigated and cleared by LE), so if we presume the FBI are competent investigators (a reasonable presumption, methinks), then it's hard to believe they wouldn't have pointed the finger at mom if something was truly amiss.
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Old 10-12-2009, 12:59 PM   #93
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My point above was that I would not suspect the mother (on the reasonable assumption that she would have already been investigated and cleared by LE), so if we presume the FBI are competent investigators (a reasonable presumption, methinks), then it's hard to believe they wouldn't have pointed the finger at mom if something was truly amiss.
In child abduction/murder the parents are ALWAYS the first suspects as well as the first witnesses. They will be grilled intensively to not only get valuable info, but to determine if they killed their own child. Even if not suspected initually, once the search or wiretaps turn up nothing, the investigators will always come back to see if they are cleared of any wrongdoing.

The FBI in particular is anxious to prove that this is a murder by the parents as it saves them from having to do vast searches and expensive wiretaps.
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Old 10-12-2009, 01:16 PM   #94
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Technically yes, but as amazing as it sound there are several situations were they would not investigate:

1. If the local police tells the FBI that they don't need assistance and the SAC of the FBI resident agency agrees. (this happens a lot more than people think.)
2. The supervisory agent comes up with a elaborate reason that the case is not a federal jursidiction. (such as there is evidence that the child is actually murdered and that there is no real abduction--This rarely happens though)
3. The family does not have a home phone, hence a wiretap is unnecesary. Or the neighborhood the child vanished in is a low income housing area that does not need such a wide search as the suspect and child is most likely withing the local area.(this happens all too frequently in high poverty areas)
4. There is a major unit wide investigation that takes precendence over a missing child and investigators cannnot be spared(such as an imminent
terrorist investigation, national security issue or other child abduction)

Truth be told...if the FBI wants to investigate something, they can come up with some reason to investigate it. if the FBI doesn't want to investigate something, they probably can come up with a reason not to investigate.
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Old 10-13-2009, 02:10 AM   #95
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I'm still awaiting more information. I'm surprised this poster hasn't said more. Might be a troll. maybe not. who knows. I would like to hear more as well. That family knows the truth about what happened to her.
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As I think about it, I wonder if Anthonette hadn't made previous arrangement to see somebody, perhaps an older man that she naively trusted but who she knew her mother would not approve her going out with, and that this man kidnapped her. Just one possibility.
She was nine years old.
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As I think about it, I wonder if Anthonette hadn't made previous arrangement to see somebody, perhaps an older man that she naively trusted but who she knew her mother would not approve her going out with, and that this man kidnapped her. Just one possibility.


She was nine years old.
Her age is irrelevant when considering pedophilia.

The actual argument against this theory is why this guy had to break into the house to grab her? He could easily nab her outside in the same place he met her in the first place. If Antoinette's mother was aware of a strange guy going after her daughter...wouldn;t he be the first suspect???
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I see nothing to indicate Anthonette's mom had anything to do with this at all. There is NO evidence to indicate that at all, that I can see. Anthonette's little sister coming forward after five years does not surprise me at all. Imagine the trauma! There is evidence of abduction, however. Jaycee's case comes to mind. So many people insisted her dad's story was not true when he witnessed the abduction...for years. They were ALL WRONG.
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Her age is irrelevant when considering pedophilia.
That's not what I was saying. That other poster was suggesting that she had a boyfriend/adult male friend that her parents disapproved of. Nine-year-olds don't make arrangements to meet people either, and they're too young to be interested in grown men.
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This is definitely one of the more unusual cases that I'd love to see solved (I hope she's alive). Just wondering, what does everyone think the chances are that the 14 year old girl in the restaurant was her?

I think it's definitely possible, but if it was... I wonder why it took 5 years for her to try and signal for help (maybe they rarely went out?). Especially with it being in public it would've been safer if she'd tried to escape or flat out ask someone for help.

In a way I hope that WASNT her - I'd hate to think she came close to being rescued only to go back into captivity and perhaps dead.
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This is definitely one of the more unusual cases that I'd love to see solved (I hope she's alive). Just wondering, what does everyone think the chances are that the 14 year old girl in the restaurant was her?(
I think it was her for sure. The reason why is because I am sure the waitress would have been shown pictures of her extensively. The bizarre behaviour, the note, etc. It has to be her. I also believe that the phone call is her. Unless someone is doing a sick prank. But the mother's spine stiffening when she hears her daughters voice is good enough reason for me to believe it.

And yeah I would think that couple at the restaurant would never take her out at all. Maybe they threatened her if she talked which is why she was so privately seeking help. We don't know why it never happened again to be honest.

I am torn on her little sister's story. Why would a nine year old answer the door and not her mother? Why would her little 5 year old sister not alert her mother if her sister was abducted? Why wait 5 years to say something? And can the memory of a kid be that fresh 4 years later? For whatever reason that story screamed parallels of Larry Gibson's daughter and her fake story. But I could be wrong.
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I think it was her for sure. The reason why is because I am sure the waitress would have been shown pictures of her extensively. The bizarre behaviour, the note, etc. It has to be her. I also believe that the phone call is her. Unless someone is doing a sick prank. But the mother's spine stiffening when she hears her daughters voice is good enough reason for me to believe it.

And yeah I would think that couple at the restaurant would never take her out at all. Maybe they threatened her if she talked which is why she was so privately seeking help. We don't know why it never happened again to be honest.

I am torn on her little sister's story. Why would a nine year old answer the door and not her mother? Why would her little 5 year old sister not alert her mother if her sister was abducted? Why wait 5 years to say something? And can the memory of a kid be that fresh 4 years later? For whatever reason that story screamed parallels of Larry Gibson's daughter and her fake story. But I could be wrong.
I have doubts re: the restaurant sighting. How does the girl have the time and opportunity to write out a help message, yet not to run a few feet over to help? Why take her out at all? The years that passed since Anthonette disappeared and the sighting gives me further pause; kids can change alot, regardless of age-enhanced composites.

The phone call, I find more credible; of course, I have nothing to base this upon other than the mother's insistence on it being Anthonette's voice.
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I have doubts re: the restaurant sighting. How does the girl have the time and opportunity to write out a help message, yet not to run a few feet over to help? Why take her out at all? The years that passed since Anthonette disappeared and the sighting gives me further pause; kids can change alot, regardless of age-enhanced composites.
There have been many cases of abducted people whom seemed to have an opportunity to escape but don't seem to follow that logical pattern.
It's possible that Antoinette did try to do so and was severly punished in a failed attempt. That alone would make someone hesitant to try to escape.

"Stockholm syndrome" should also be considered.

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The phone call, I find more credible; of course, I have nothing to base this upon other than the mother's insistence on it being Anthonette's voice.
The phone call could be as false as the above sighting IMHO. Her mother is a biased source.

It;s also possible this was a
1. prank call
2. scam to extort money.
3. mislead to hide the murder of Antoinette.

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I am torn on her little sister's story. Why would a nine year old answer the door and not her mother? Why would her little 5 year old sister not alert her mother if her sister was abducted? Why wait 5 years to say something? And can the memory of a kid be that fresh 4 years later? For whatever reason that story screamed parallels of Larry Gibson's daughter and her fake story. But I could be wrong.
This whole story leads me to consider that this was not a stranger crime. That Antoinette knew her abductor.
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I feel that the call was more likely to be legitimate than the restaurant sighting. Think of all the good-intentioned people on UM who were "absolutely sure" that they saw the victim, and they turned out to be wrong: I'm thinking of Gale Delano, Lisa Marie Kimmel, to name just a few.

Remember, the girl in the restaurant was hundreds of miles away from the abduction, and five years had passed; especially when it comes to children, think of how many child relatives that you don't see for five years, and when you see them again, you hardly recognize them. I just don't think that the girl was Antoinnette for some reason.

In terms of the call, and I mentioned this before: Since the girl was not in the jurisdiction of the original kidnapping when she called (she was in Albuquerque, according to the caller, how was she able to reach the local police station where Antoinnette was originally abducted? When you dial 911, you get the local police operating center, so the caller would have gotten the Albuquerque operator. For her to get the operator she got, wouldn't she have to dial a seven digit number of that specific precinct?
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ok i've heard the call and the mom said it was her by the way she pronounced the last name. i do believe it was her, but the sighting was a bit odd. If it wasnt her then who was it? why would she write help??
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