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Old 11-02-2011, 11:39 PM   #151
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I just watched this segment as well:

I agree with most of you: I think that Anthonette was kidnapped for sex trafficking or prostitution purposes (perhaps even pornography), and after her "lucrative" age had expired, she was killed. I hate to say it, but it just doesn't seem realistic to think she's still alive.

I mean, I guess if she was brainwashed, she could be living somewhere in an abusive relationship, or with someone and have little recollection of her former life, but who knows.

One question.... what always struck me was... the 911 call, it was from Albecerque, so she couldn't have dialed 911, she would have needed the local emergency number for her specific village's emergency center, right? I don't even know my own local emergency number, let alone a young little girl. Know what I mean? How did she know where to call, the number, and the 911 call seemed so staged, like, she called, and immediately a man said "who told you you could use the phone." I'm not saying it was a hoax, but Im not positive about it. Obviously, a mom will want it to be their daughter to keep the hope alive.

As we all know, there have been so many UM segments where "legitimate leads" have proved to be false, and I wonder if we might someday learn that she was killed hours after the kidnapping, etc.

Anybody care to comment... particularly on the 911 call. Regardless, this is a VERY sad case, and very frustrating... The mom must be a very strong woman.
I'm confused. Why couldn't the call have been a 911 call just because it was in Albuquerque? I think it was a 911 call, not to her local hometown, and the police in Albuquerque then took note of the name and connected it to the case.
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I'm confused. Why couldn't the call have been a 911 call just because it was in Albuquerque? I think it was a 911 call, not to her local hometown, and the police in Albuquerque then took note of the name and connected it to the case.
I think the term that's been used in this forum, "911 call" is misleading. In the UM segment, they say that a call came into the Gallup Police Station. I believe this was the point that mattc was trying to make. If Anthonette was abducted, a.) how would she know where she was being held captive, and b.) how would she know the telephone number to the local police station where she was being held? I believe that when someone dials 911 they are sent to a "dispatch center", not a police station. And if this is true, I don't belive the call to be authentic.
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I think the term that's been used in this forum, "911 call" is misleading. In the UM segment, they say that a call came into the Gallup Police Station. I believe this was the point that mattc was trying to make. If Anthonette was abducted, a.) how would she know where she was being held captive, and b.) how would she know the telephone number to the local police station where she was being held? I believe that when someone dials 911 they are sent to a "dispatch center", not a police station. And if this is true, I don't belive the call to be authentic.
Oh, I see. I was really confused for a second. The only explanation I can think of is that when I was growing up in the 90s, a lot of my grandmother's old phones actually had the local police dept number sticker on them. I've seen others like them: Local Police: (insert number here) Emergency: 911. Or was Gallup the place where she was actually from? It's been a while since I last saw the segment.

I still think that the call is authentic. It just sounds too real. I know that doesn't sound like a credible mode of judgment, but the little girl who called was genuinely a little girl and terrified- and she said her name correctly. Also what's tragic is that as a little girl she just said her name flat out, as though the police would know immediately who she was and that she needed help.
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Also what's tragic is that as a little girl she just said her name flat out, as though the police would know immediately who she was and that she needed help.
This is another reason why I don't believe the call to be authentic.
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I always thought the family was involved somehow. 3am 5yr old opening door didn't sit right with me. The call could be real. Perhaps anttoinette wasn't aware that her mother or father had anything to do with it. When they mentioned the sister bringing up details of the abduction five years later my first thoughts were that she was coached somehow, maybe not knowing she was because afterall she was very young when it all happenned. In mqny cases there are many bits and important pieces of information that the public doesn't know about. The hometown poster who shared information led me to believe the town knows more about the case than we do. There is also a comment on the YouTube video of this segment from a user saying that penny admitted to selling her daughter on her deathbed whichmay be b.s. but seemed interesting when I read it.
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This is another reason why I don't believe the call to be authentic.
I actually thought of this as a reason to find the call authentic, as a fearful kidnapped child would probably blurt her name out and expect help without clarification. The fear in her voice seemed too genuine to me to be a hoax.
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I actually thought of this as a reason to find the call authentic, as a fearful kidnapped child would probably blurt her name out and expect help without clarification. The fear in her voice seemed too genuine to me to be a hoax.
Would a ten year old girl really be clever enough to know her case gained enough notoriety to where she could just say her name instead of saying she needed help, she was kidnapped, etc.?
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The more I read about this case, the more I am convinced the mother may have had some inside knowledge she did not share with the police. I personally find some of the details about the night in question to be a bit strange, to say the least.

According to an article I read from The Gallup Herald, during the night of the kidnapping, Penny returned home around midnight from a bar and relieved the babysitter. Despite this late hour, the girls were still up, and Penny continued to allow them to stay up and play until three o'clock in the morning. After that, the girls went to bed. Anthonette slept in Penny's bed, but Penny never heard any knock at the door. She woke up at 7 AM to get the girls ready, and that is when she noticed Anthonette was missing. For some reason Penny decided that Anthonette was out searching for a neighbour's missing dog, but became panicked when she called for her daughter and the latter did not answer her.

Penny was administered a polygraph test by the FBI and failed. Marty Esquibel, the detective interviewed for UM, was confident that Penny knew who took Anthonette.

The article also mentioned that it was speculated that Penny, and Anthonette's father, Larry Estrada, were involved in drugs. A police report noted that a neighbour stated it was not unusual for people to visit Penny's house at all hours of the night.

Based on this arguably limited information, I think that while Penny did not consent to the kidnapping, she probably knew who took her eldest daughter. If she lied to the police, it was probably because she feared reprisal for some illegal activity on her part.
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The more I read about this case, the more I am convinced the mother may have had some inside knowledge she did not share with the police. I personally find some of the details about the night in question to be a bit strange, to say the least.

According to an article I read from The Gallup Herald, during the night of the kidnapping, Penny returned home around midnight from a bar and relieved the babysitter. Despite this late hour, the girls were still up, and Penny continued to allow them to stay up and play until three o'clock in the morning. After that, the girls went to bed. Anthonette slept in Penny's bed, but Penny never heard any knock at the door. She woke up at 7 AM to get the girls ready, and that is when she noticed Anthonette was missing. For some reason Penny decided that Anthonette was out searching for a neighbour's missing dog, but became panicked when she called for her daughter and the latter did not answer her.

Penny was administered a polygraph test by the FBI and failed. Marty Esquibel, the detective interviewed for UM, was confident that Penny knew who took Anthonette.

The article also mentioned that it was speculated that Penny, and Anthonette's father, Larry Estrada, were involved in drugs. A police report noted that a neighbour stated it was not unusual for people to visit Penny's house at all hours of the night.

Based on this arguably limited information, I think that while Penny did not consent to the kidnapping, she probably knew who took her eldest daughter. If she lied to the police, it was probably because she feared reprisal for some illegal activity on her part.
Wow! I haven't posted on here in ages, but had to respond to the above post.
That certainly sheds TONS of light on things. I had no idea that the mom took a polygraph and failed. I've always sensed that she was genuine, but I guess she was a bit deceptive. Yeah, I don't think she was directly involved in the kidnapping, but at least had some knowledge of what had happened. Maybe Anthonette was taken in retaliation/as a punishment for a drug deal gone wrong. Anyhow, the family sounds majorly messed up and dysfunctional.
I didn't know the mom (Penny) had died. Was this recent?
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I didn't know the mom (Penny) had died. Was this recent?
According to the Find a Grave website, Penny died in April of 1999. The FBI tried to contact Penny on her deathbed, but they came too late. Whatever secrets Penny knew, she took with her to the grave. The FBI now considers this case closed, although the Gallup Police still consider the case to be open.
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Since 1999?! Wow.
I wonder what she died of...? She must have still been pretty young.

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OK, I found her 'Find A Grave' page (if this is, indeed, the correct Penny), and she was 46 (three months shy of 47) when she passed.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...GRid=13532079&
Maybe someone more savvy can locate an obituary.
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Since 1999?! Wow.
I wonder what she died of...? She must have still been pretty young.

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OK, I found her 'Find A Grave' page (if this is, indeed, the correct Penny), and she was 46 (three months shy of 47) when she passed.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...GRid=13532079&
Maybe someone more savvy can locate an obituary.

I tried a couple different very quick searches. I might try local newspaper archives tomorrow, if there are any online from 1999, and look for local funeral homes, which often post obits, but the chances of one being posted on a funeral home page back in 1999 are very slim. I also searched using the parent's names given on the findagrave site which didn't help. I searched for the specific names Penny Cayedito and Theresa Cayedito and came up with nothing.

I wonder if her last name in an obit would be Cayedito or if was different at the time of her death but the person who posted her findagrave page didn't know that. It doesn't show a photo of the headstone. The poster listed her burial site as "unknown" so there's not even a starting point of a cemetery to work with.
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Wow icedberry's post is a real revelation. I'd love to know when she took a polygraph. It must have been after the segment aired yeah?
Is there a link to that article online? (or a related article with similar details?)
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Wow icedberry's post is a real revelation. I'd love to know when she took a polygraph. It must have been after the segment aired yeah?
Is there a link to that article online? (or a related article with similar details?)
The link to the article I cited can be found here: https://www.facebook.com/note.php?no...14554508586975

I believe Penny was given the polygraph before the UM segment. It was administered by the FBI. Since Anthonette went missing in 1986, and the show aired in 1992, it would have been sometime between there, probably at the early stages of the case.
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The one thing that baffles me is the whole "uncle Bob" thing. I don't think she would've answered the door if she didn't think it was her uncle or someone else in her family. I think the person who took her might've not been someone in her family, but perhaps someone either of her parents knew or maybe it was some pedophile who watched/stalked the family and used the "uncle Bob" name to trick her and abduct her.
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